WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.000 (couch squeaking) Welcome back to "Mysteries of the Mind," a true crime podcast hosted by myself, 00:06.000 --> 00:09.000 Preston Knight-- --and me, Daphne St. Clair. 00:09.000 --> 00:13.000 Today we dive even deeper into the story of "Doctor Love," a psychiatrist at a rural 00:13.000 --> 00:19.000 Philadelphia asylum in the 50s who ran away with a patient-- --due to their illicit affair. 00:19.000 --> 00:27.000 Our favorite detective, Daphne, managed to get her hands on never before seen records, previously thought to be lost to history. 00:27.000 --> 00:35.000 We're unveiling Doctor Love, a.k.a. Doctor Burnett, and her patient-turned-lover, Hazel, and how their relationship came to be. 00:35.000 --> 00:46.000 Last time on "Mysteries of the Mind," we covered Hazel's new diagnosis, emotionally unstable personality disorder-- --not to mention their first date. 00:46.000 --> 00:53.000 Today we'll see what drove them to run away together-- --as we go further into their psyches and the relationship of Doctor Love. 00:53.000 --> 00:54.000 Stay tuned! 01:09.000 --> 01:11.000 Maya Appavoo presents, 01:11.000 --> 01:14.000 Doctor Love. An audio drama. 01:14.000 --> 01:17.000 Episode Five: "Hot Water." 01:17.000 --> 02:14.000 A full list of themes, topics, and content warnings can be found in the episode description. (Preston sips water) Alright, hello, let's get into it. 02:14.000 --> 02:18.000 This is our favorite segment, we like to call it "Mindful Musings." 02:18.000 --> 02:24.000 We take questions from you guys, you know, you've left us from all corners of the internet, and answer them right here! 02:24.000 --> 02:33.000 Alright, starting us off, we have a question from Logan, one of our Patreon supporters, who asked, "Love the show! 02:33.000 --> 02:42.000 I'm a bit of a newer viewer, so I'm curious to know if there's a reason why Preston doesn't read up on the materials before the episode?" 02:42.000 --> 02:44.000 Um, yeah... Thank you, Logan! 02:44.000 --> 02:46.000 There's actually a couple reasons for this. 02:46.000 --> 02:55.000 Yeah, you know, a good part of it is that I edit our episodes, so, you know, usually while I'm cleaning up our audio and cutting things together, 02:55.000 --> 02:58.000 Daphne is doing her reading on the issues. 02:58.000 --> 03:05.000 Mhm. So, we've found that we like podcasts where each person is bringing a different expertise to the table, you know, it feels more dynamic. 03:05.000 --> 03:14.000 So I come to the table with the case, and Preston gets to learn what's going on for the first time alongside you guys, and then I get to learn about psychology. 03:14.000 --> 03:18.000 Yeah, you know, I think it feels more equal this way. For sure. 03:18.000 --> 03:20.000 All right, moving on. 03:20.000 --> 03:25.000 Our next question is from another Patreon supporter, Gea. 03:25.000 --> 03:31.000 I'm sorry if I butchered your name, Gea, but he said, "This podcast is so interesting, 03:31.000 --> 03:34.000 I think hearing your perspectives is so enriching to the cases you study. 03:34.000 --> 03:38.000 I particularly liked the breakdowns of personality disorders last session. 03:38.000 --> 03:44.000 Drop your book recommendations, Preston." (Daphne chuckles) Well, thank you, Gea. 03:44.000 --> 03:45.000 I agree, 03:45.000 --> 03:49.000 I think the personality disorder breakdown last time was very insightful, Preston. 03:49.000 --> 03:54.000 Thank you, thank you. Yeah, um, for book recommendations? 03:54.000 --> 03:59.000 Yeah, I think I'll put a short list of my favorites on our Patreon, whenever I get a chance. 03:59.000 --> 04:05.000 So if you're interested in that, go subscribe. Alright, and last question? 04:05.000 --> 04:10.000 Alright, and our last question is also from a Patreon member. 04:10.000 --> 04:22.000 Yeah, there was a lot of good discussion over on our Patreon last week. For sure, for sure. Alright, this one's from Arthur, who asked, "Hey, Daphne and Preston, love the podcast. 04:22.000 --> 04:27.000 I'm wondering if we know why Doctor Burnett was recording all of these romantic moments 04:27.000 --> 04:30.000 If they were breaking the rules?" 04:30.000 --> 04:33.000 Yeah, Daphne, would you like to speak to this one? 04:33.000 --> 04:34.000 Yes, for sure. 04:34.000 --> 04:40.000 So, my understanding is that the hospital required sessions to be recorded for the doctor to be able to go back and reference. 04:40.000 --> 04:47.000 But the hospital didn't have the capacity to listen to all of those tapes because, like, that's all they'd ever do if they did. 04:47.000 --> 04:51.000 So I think Doctor Burnett was recording tapes to sort of-- 04:51.000 --> 04:53.000 Yeah, she was hiding in plain sight. 04:53.000 --> 04:54.000 Yeah. 04:54.000 --> 04:57.000 You know that saying, don't do something illegal while doing something illegal? 04:57.000 --> 05:00.000 Yep. I think that's what was going on. 05:00.000 --> 05:02.000 I mean, either that, or, I mean, like, 05:02.000 --> 05:11.000 I like to think that Doctor Burnett wanted to be able to maybe take these, one day, like, as mementos to her and Hazel's love story. 05:11.000 --> 05:15.000 Oh, like, you know, but, you know, probably, probably the first thing. Yeah. 05:17.000 --> 05:18.000 Well, that's it for 05:18.000 --> 05:21.000 Mindful Musings today. 05:26.000 --> 05:28.000 Mindful musings. 05:28.000 --> 05:29.000 Moving on, 05:29.000 --> 05:30.000 I have something 05:30.000 --> 05:34.000 I think you'll be very interested in, Preston. Yes? 05:34.000 --> 05:35.000 As you may recall, 05:35.000 --> 05:41.000 Doctor Burnett snuck Hazel out of the hospital for a little birthday ice cream date. Mhm. 05:41.000 --> 05:43.000 So, she got into some hot water for that. 05:43.000 --> 05:49.000 And I don't have a recording of that meeting, but it was a formal warning, so I guess they kept a transcript. 05:49.000 --> 05:52.000 Would you like to do a dramatic reading with me? 05:52.000 --> 05:57.000 Oh, absolutely, I would. (handing out paper) Here's your copy... 05:57.000 --> 06:01.000 All righty. Thanks. (paper rustling) Okay. 00:06:0 Yep. 06:03.000 --> 06:10.000 Okay, so, Doctor Jackson, who Preston will read for, was on the, like, executive board for the hospital. 06:10.000 --> 06:16.000 Coincidentally, perhaps, it was also his family that had these records. Interesting. 06:16.000 --> 06:28.000 Okay. Yeah. Whenever you're ready. (Preston clears throat, exhales) "Doctor Burnett, do you know why I called you in today?" "No, doctor." "I'll get right to it then. 06:28.000 --> 06:33.000 We noticed Mrs. Finley was taken on an outing on April 24th for three hours. 06:34.000 --> 06:48.000 Would you like to explain?" "Mrs. Finley is entitled to two supervised outings per year." "Yes, subject to approval." "I approved it." "You were not the doctor on duty on April 24th. 06:48.000 --> 06:59.000 You explicitly requested a personal day, then came in and took a patient one in isolation due to a history of sudden and violent outbursts, out on an unapproved outing. 06:59.000 --> 07:04.000 No paperwork was completed to approve this outing." "It was done for her benefit. 07:04.000 --> 07:09.000 Nurse Amelia and I have noted significant improvements in behavior when Mrs. 07:09.000 --> 07:15.000 Finley is permitted to explore the courtyard." "That is not your call to make when you are not working, Doctor Burnett. 07:15.000 --> 07:22.000 Willow Waters has done you a massive favor, by allowing you the opportunity to prove yourself and your sex. 07:22.000 --> 07:29.000 I would hate to see you squander that opportunity." "Yes, doctor." "This warning will go in your file. 07:29.000 --> 07:38.000 I hope to never need to issue another, Doctor Burnett." "Yes, Doctor Jackson." (paper rustling) Okay, so 07:38.000 --> 07:43.000 I feel validated in my theory that Doctor Burnett had something to prove. Mhm, for sure. 07:43.000 --> 07:44.000 I mean, you were right, Daphne, 07:44.000 --> 07:47.000 I think this is just utterly fascinating. 07:47.000 --> 07:51.000 Doctor Burnett getting caught was not on my bingo card, to be honest. 07:51.000 --> 07:55.000 You know, I think she handled that well, though, you know, she stood up for herself the best she could. 07:55.000 --> 08:01.000 Yeah, Doctor Jackson was clearly threatening her, and once he made that clear, she complied. 08:01.000 --> 08:03.000 Yeah, I think that was smart. I agree. 08:03.000 --> 08:08.000 I don't know what else she could have done in that moment, but I think it's clear that she didn't care for the warning. 08:08.000 --> 08:12.000 Yeah, and I mean, that does bring me back to that obsessive compulsive thing. 08:12.000 --> 08:18.000 I think it's fair to say that she has a bit of tunnel vision forming at this point. Maybe, yeah. 08:19.000 --> 08:22.000 Um, but anyway, before we go ahead and take a break, 08:22.000 --> 08:25.000 I want to talk a bit about the plan for the rest of today's episode. 08:25.000 --> 08:35.000 I'm going to jump us around a bit chronologically, so, when we're back, we'll hear a news radio clip from after Hazel and Burnett went missing. Interesting. 08:35.000 --> 08:38.000 We'll be back in just a moment. 08:49.000 --> 08:50.000 Good evening. 08:50.000 --> 08:53.000 This is Martin Moores with your five o'clock news. 08:53.000 --> 08:56.000 Tonight, we start with a special alert for all Pennsylvanians. 08:56.000 --> 09:00.000 A psychiatrist and an asylum patient have gone missing. 09:00.000 --> 09:06.000 Doctor Burnett was a psychiatrist at an asylum outside of Philadelphia, notably their first female doctor. 09:06.000 --> 09:11.000 Her patient, Hazel Mary Finley, was a case of particular interest, as sources have told us. 09:11.000 --> 09:17.000 They have disappeared, leaving a trail of paperwork that authorities say is illegitimate. 09:17.000 --> 09:18.000 We have a statement from Doctor 09:18.000 --> 09:21.000 Robert Jackson, board executive from the hospital where Mrs. 09:21.000 --> 09:29.000 Finley was a patient, and Doctor Burnett was employed. (cameras flashing) Doctor Jackson! (overlapping shouting) 09:30.000 --> 09:34.000 Please rest assured that we are taking this matter very seriously. (camera flashing) 09:34.000 --> 09:42.000 Mrs. Finley and Doctor Burnett are not armed or dangerous, and we are working with the police to ensure that we're able to locate them promptly. 09:42.000 --> 09:47.000 We will not be reopening until this matter is resolved and the investigation is closed. 09:47.000 --> 09:48.000 Thank you. 09:48.000 --> 09:51.000 No questions at this time. (cameras flashing, overlapping shouting) 09:51.000 --> 09:58.000 The hospital is halting its transition from a psychiatric facility to a nursing home until Mrs. Finley and Doctor Burnett are found. 09:58.000 --> 10:02.000 Pennsylvanians are being asked by authorities to keep an eye out. 10:02.000 --> 10:06.000 Doctor Burnett is around 34, wears square glasses and-- (click) 10:07.000 --> 10:15.000 So, the news clip we just heard was from 1954, broadcasted right after Doctor Burnett and Hazel ran away together. 10:15.000 --> 10:18.000 You know, I noticed they never said the name of the asylum. 10:18.000 --> 10:28.000 No, I guess the executives paid off the press in an attempt to try to mitigate the fallout, so that they could quietly deal with this and reopen as soon as possible. 10:28.000 --> 10:29.000 Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. 10:29.000 --> 10:36.000 It's interesting to hear what the fallout was. (paper rustling) Yeah, I agree, but before I get too deep into that 10:36.000 --> 10:39.000 I'd like to read you an entry from Doctor Burnett's journal. 10:39.000 --> 10:48.000 So, this is from the same day in May 1952 that she had that meeting with Doctor Jackson. Sure. "Having spoken to Doctor Jackson, 10:48.000 --> 10:49.000 I have-- 10:49.000 --> 10:52.000 I have some concerns about Hazel's care. 10:52.000 --> 10:56.000 I wonder about my career here, and if they are willing to continue supporting it. 10:56.000 --> 11:01.000 I worry about what would happen to Hazel were I to accept a position elsewhere. 11:01.000 --> 11:03.000 I cannot leave her fate to chance. 11:03.000 --> 11:09.000 It was all too easy to remove her from the premises without alerting anyone right away. (pages rustling) 11:09.000 --> 11:12.000 Oh. Oh, wow. 11:12.000 --> 11:16.000 Seems to imply that she wants to take Hazel for another outing 11:16.000 --> 11:18.000 That's a little more permanent, right? 11:18.000 --> 11:26.000 It does, It does, and I think there's something truly committed, as well, about Doctor Burnett's concern for Hazel's fate. 11:26.000 --> 11:30.000 She doesn't seem to express that concern for her other patients. 11:30.000 --> 11:34.000 Well, she's not in love with her other patients. I suppose not. 11:35.000 --> 11:36.000 Now, 11:36.000 --> 11:41.000 I think it's been too long without actually hearing Doctor Burnett and Hazel, so let's do that. 11:41.000 --> 11:46.000 This next clip is from about a week and a half after the ice cream date. (click) 11:47.000 --> 11:49.000 How are you, today, Hazel? 11:49.000 --> 11:52.000 I'm worried about you. 11:53.000 --> 12:00.000 Nurse Amelia said you couldn't come in yesterday because there was... something going on. 12:00.000 --> 12:02.000 She wouldn't say what. 12:02.000 --> 12:05.000 I... got in a little trouble. 12:06.000 --> 12:07.000 They weren't impressed 12:07.000 --> 12:09.000 I'd taken you out for the afternoon last week. 12:09.000 --> 12:12.000 Oh, no, I'm sorry. 12:12.000 --> 12:14.000 I didn't mean to be a bother. 12:14.000 --> 12:16.000 You're not a bother, Hazel. 12:16.000 --> 12:19.000 I made a decision, and I stand by it. 12:20.000 --> 12:23.000 It was worth it. 12:23.000 --> 12:25.000 Hazel? (Hazel sobs) 12:25.000 --> 12:27.000 Oh, Hazel. (crying) 12:27.000 --> 12:28.000 It's okay. (crying) 12:28.000 --> 12:31.000 You got in shit and it's all my fault. 12:31.000 --> 12:33.000 It's all right. 12:33.000 --> 12:38.000 I'm not in big trouble, it was just a slap on the wrist. (sniffling) So what do we do? 12:39.000 --> 12:40.000 Do we have to stop? 12:40.000 --> 12:43.000 No, no no no no, Hazel, of course not. 12:43.000 --> 12:44.000 I'd never let that happen. 12:44.000 --> 12:47.000 We'll just have to lay low for a bit. 12:48.000 --> 12:50.000 It's not your fault. 12:50.000 --> 12:56.000 They're looking for reasons to discredit me because they don't believe a woman should practice medicine. (sniffing) 12:56.000 --> 12:59.000 It's all going to be all right. 12:59.000 --> 13:03.000 Nobody can keep us apart, okay? I won't let them. 13:03.000 --> 13:05.000 But they did. 13:05.000 --> 13:07.000 Sometimes you have to be strategic. 13:07.000 --> 13:10.000 Best they can do is, what, a few days? 13:10.000 --> 13:16.000 And here I am, right? (sniffles) Right. Okay. 13:16.000 --> 13:19.000 Come here. (hugging) 13:19.000 --> 13:21.000 I love you. 13:21.000 --> 13:29.000 I'll keep you safe, I promise. (click) (Daphne squeals) Oh my God, they're so sweet together. 13:29.000 --> 13:39.000 Yeah, it definitely does feel as though Doctor Burnett is able to calm Hazel down, in a way that we saw she couldn't early on in their doctor-patient relationship. 13:39.000 --> 13:40.000 I think 13:40.000 --> 13:51.000 Hazel just needed to be genuinely loved and cared for, and, and nurtured in order to be able to like, you know, chill out a bit, or to let someone else help her chill out. 13:51.000 --> 13:53.000 It's not unheard of. Anyway, 13:53.000 --> 13:58.000 I think it's just... (exhales) such a beautiful declaration of love. 13:58.000 --> 14:00.000 Like, I'm here for you, 14:00.000 --> 14:03.000 I'll protect you, I'll fight for you. 14:03.000 --> 14:06.000 Oh, it's just so touching. 14:06.000 --> 14:07.000 Uh huh, yeah. 14:07.000 --> 14:15.000 I wonder what the long term effects of this will be on Hazel's mental health, you know? Like, like, like if this is the kind of support that she needs consistently, 14:15.000 --> 14:17.000 Or if this is just kind of a Band-Aid. 14:17.000 --> 14:22.000 Um, well, Hazel did have a small episode shortly after this. 14:22.000 --> 14:23.000 I don't, like, 14:23.000 --> 14:26.000 I don't have audio of it because the tape is very corrupted. 14:26.000 --> 14:28.000 Oh, wait, can we-- can we hear it? 14:28.000 --> 14:29.000 Sure. 14:29.000 --> 14:32.000 Um, just give me one second... (laptop clicknig) 14:33.000 --> 14:45.000 Okay, found it. (click) (screaming, then static) (click) Yeah, it's... not a pleasant sounding tape. 14:45.000 --> 14:54.000 I do have Doctor Burnett’s notes about it somewhere here... (laptop clicking) "Hazel had an outburst during our session today. 14:54.000 --> 15:01.000 This was prompted by a disruption to her routine, and was easily resolved through de-escalation and follow up care and therapy." 15:01.000 --> 15:03.000 I mean, that's not very descriptive. 15:03.000 --> 15:07.000 No, it's not, but, I mean, it gets the point across. 15:07.000 --> 15:09.000 It-- she had an outburst and then she calmed down. 15:09.000 --> 15:13.000 Well, I mean, you need more context if you wanted to try to get to the root of the issue-- 15:13.000 --> 15:15.000 Which I'm sure Doctor Burnett did. 15:15.000 --> 15:22.000 I mean, there's a couple more sentences there, but they're completely illegible because-- Doctor handwriting. (chuckling) Yeah. 15:22.000 --> 15:24.000 Anyway, let's move on because there's another news clip 15:24.000 --> 15:25.000 I'd like to show you. 15:25.000 --> 15:29.000 So, this one is from after they went missing in 1954. 15:29.000 --> 15:38.000 It's a news interview with Hazel's Aunt Margaret, who lived in West Virginia on a homestead, and hadn't been in contact with Hazel in years. (click) 15:38.000 --> 15:41.000 Good evening, and thank you for tuning in to the seven o'clock news. 15:41.000 --> 15:46.000 I'm Helen Carter, and with me today is Margaret Baker, the aunt of Hazel 15:46.000 --> 15:56.000 Mary Finley, a woman institutionalized in Pennsylvania who recently went missing along with her psychiatrist, Doctor Audrey Ann Burnett. 15:56.000 --> 16:05.000 Mrs. Finley was released from the facility after her discharge papers received a signature from her aunt, who claims she's never seen the papers. 16:05.000 --> 16:09.000 Ms. Baker, how did you find out about all of this? 16:09.000 --> 16:10.000 Well, Helen, 16:10.000 --> 16:15.000 I found out when the cops came knocking at my door, asking if I'd seen my niece. 16:15.000 --> 16:16.000 I told them no, 16:16.000 --> 16:18.000 I hadn't seen her since her wedding. 16:18.000 --> 16:24.000 They showed me my name on some papers I'd never seen before, and a signature that look nothing like mine. 16:24.000 --> 16:31.000 Well, I showed them some of my legal documents to show them it couldn't have been my signature, and I told them again 16:31.000 --> 16:33.000 I-- I hadn't even known where Hazel was. 16:33.000 --> 16:35.000 That certainly sounds disturbing. 16:35.000 --> 16:37.000 It was. 16:37.000 --> 16:38.000 I had no idea 16:38.000 --> 16:40.000 I was supposed to be Hazel's guardian. 16:40.000 --> 16:43.000 Truthfully, I didn't know where she was or what had become of her. 16:43.000 --> 16:53.000 My brother and parents passed years ago, and I'd heard through the grapevine that Hazel's husband had died in the war, but I hadn't received any correspondence. 16:53.000 --> 16:55.000 Very disconcerting indeed. 16:55.000 --> 16:58.000 Is there any legal action being taken? 16:58.000 --> 17:02.000 I've been cooperating with the authorities, but, to be frank, 17:02.000 --> 17:06.000 I don't know who I'm supposed to be fighting myself. 17:06.000 --> 17:07.000 I'm not sure if Hazel said 17:07.000 --> 17:11.000 I was her guardian, or if her doctor had done so, or the hospital. 17:13.000 --> 17:17.000 I hope she's all right, but I doubt I'll ever hear from her again. (click) 17:18.000 --> 17:23.000 Wow, that's... I mean, like... so paperwork was forged. 17:23.000 --> 17:26.000 I mean, this wasn't just a regular outing they never came back from. 17:26.000 --> 17:29.000 No, Doctor Burnett was much smarter about it. 17:29.000 --> 17:31.000 You know, I don't know if it was smarter. 17:31.000 --> 17:39.000 I mean, this implicates her criminally, whereas if they just left and never returned, it could be assumed that they were involved in a horrible accident. 17:39.000 --> 17:47.000 Yes, but it also could have been assumed that Hazel had had a violent outburst and that-- that had-- and she'd been, like, criminally responsible. 17:47.000 --> 17:50.000 So this was Doctor Burnett doing what she said she'd do. 17:50.000 --> 17:53.000 Protect Hazel. 17:53.000 --> 17:55.000 Hmm... yeah, I don't know. 17:55.000 --> 18:00.000 Well, think on it, while I play us a clip from another session. 18:00.000 --> 18:08.000 We're going to skip ahead a few months, because, honestly, most of their sessions after this are them chatting and sharing stories, and while it's very cute, 18:08.000 --> 18:10.000 I want to get to the juicy stuff. 18:10.000 --> 18:12.000 This is early 1953. 18:12.000 --> 18:14.000 I'm just going to plop us in partway through their conversation. (click) 18:17.000 --> 18:20.000 I couldn't handle the texture the old ones got after a while. 18:20.000 --> 18:31.000 They get clumpy, which makes it hard to manipulate the paints on the paper, but also if it touches your skin, it feels slimy, which makes me want to vomit. 18:31.000 --> 18:35.000 So Nurse Amelia brought in some new paints for me, which is very kind of her. 18:35.000 --> 18:37.000 That is very kind of her. 18:37.000 --> 18:42.000 Can I see the painting you did? (paper flipping) 18:44.000 --> 18:48.000 I tried doing a still life of that cola bottle you brought me the other day. 18:48.000 --> 18:50.000 That's beautiful, Hazel. 18:50.000 --> 18:53.000 You think so? Yes. 18:53.000 --> 18:54.000 You're very talented. 18:54.000 --> 18:56.000 You could be a famous artist one day. 18:56.000 --> 19:01.000 Oh, thank you, Audrey. (kiss) 19:02.000 --> 19:05.000 So, how have you been feeling? 19:05.000 --> 19:06.000 What do you mean? 19:06.000 --> 19:08.000 You've been feeling calm? 19:08.000 --> 19:10.000 Peaceful? 19:10.000 --> 19:11.000 What's going on? 19:11.000 --> 19:14.000 I don't want to upset you. 19:14.000 --> 19:15.000 Tell me, please. 19:17.000 --> 19:25.000 Nurse Amelia and I heard whispers of this last year, but I didn't think it was anything serious. 19:25.000 --> 19:30.000 Psychiatric hospitals are slowly being phased out. 19:30.000 --> 19:37.000 No... Willow Waters is going to be converted into a nursing home. No, no, no, they can't. 19:37.000 --> 19:39.000 They can't do that to me. 19:39.000 --> 19:41.000 They can't-- they can't do that to us. 19:41.000 --> 19:45.000 They can't, they can't, they can't-- Hazel, (hyperventilating) It's going to be okay. 19:45.000 --> 19:49.000 They can't, they can't, they can't-- 19:49.000 --> 19:50.000 You're going to faint. 19:50.000 --> 19:52.000 I don't care, I don't-- 19:52.000 --> 19:55.000 They can't-- I don't know-- 19:55.000 --> 19:58.000 Audrey. (tight hug) 19:58.000 --> 20:00.000 I'm scared, 20:00.000 --> 20:01.000 I don't know, 20:01.000 --> 20:04.000 I don't know-- It's okay, don't be afraid, 20:04.000 --> 20:06.000 I'll keep you sa-- (struggling) 20:06.000 --> 20:10.000 No, no no no no, you can't-- you can't-- Hazel-- 20:10.000 --> 20:12.000 You can't! (struggling) 20:12.000 --> 20:18.000 Hazel, take a deep breath-- ow. Hazel, take a deep breath. 20:18.000 --> 20:20.000 It'll be okay. 20:20.000 --> 20:22.000 It'll be okay. 20:22.000 --> 20:24.000 I'm here. 20:24.000 --> 20:29.000 I'm right here. (click) 20:34.000 --> 20:36.000 So, what did you think of that, 20:36.000 --> 20:37.000 Preston? 20:39.000 --> 20:41.000 I thought that was sad. 20:41.000 --> 20:44.000 I feel really awful for Hazel. 20:44.000 --> 20:53.000 She's basically being told she's going to be evicted, and before she's evicted, she's not going to have the opportunity to, like, get a job and save some money. 20:53.000 --> 20:57.000 That's terrifying, especially for a woman without any family. 20:57.000 --> 21:00.000 You know, again, I've... 21:00.000 --> 21:03.000 I'm thinking about what this is doing to her head. 21:03.000 --> 21:09.000 She's demonstrated a complete lack of adaptability, and this is a huge change for her. 21:09.000 --> 21:12.000 I feel like we can expect more of these outbursts. 21:12.000 --> 21:14.000 Hmm. I have... 21:14.000 --> 21:18.000 Um, I have a journal entry of hers that I think you'll enjoy. 21:18.000 --> 21:24.000 Alright, sure. (laptop clicks) "I don't know what is going to become of me. 21:24.000 --> 21:30.000 Audrey says that everything will work out, and I'll land on my feet, but I can't help but feel stuck. 21:30.000 --> 21:34.000 Nobody has given me a plan, nobody has told me what to expect. 21:34.000 --> 21:41.000 I have nothing to my name, aside from my diagnosis, which feels like a debt rather than an asset. 21:41.000 --> 21:45.000 I don't know what to do to make sure I end up okay. Is this it for me?" 21:46.000 --> 21:50.000 I mean, she's catastrophizing, which isn't particularly helpful. 21:50.000 --> 21:52.000 No, but what else can you do? 21:52.000 --> 21:58.000 She's stuck in a padded room with furniture bolted to the ground, with a sippy cup of water, and a journal. 21:58.000 --> 22:02.000 I mean, she could have, I don't know, talked to one of the higher ups. 22:02.000 --> 22:03.000 Figured out what the plan is. 22:03.000 --> 22:06.000 I mean, do we even know if her husband left her anything? 22:06.000 --> 22:07.000 No, we don't. 22:07.000 --> 22:14.000 Well, I mean, presumably, anything he left her, the hospital would be able to hand over to her upon discharging her. 22:14.000 --> 22:21.000 And if there's nothing for her, that's, you know, when you get into contact with social services and figure out what programs are there for you. 22:21.000 --> 22:28.000 That's all a nice idea, but I'm not sure how many social programs there were for people like Hazel in those days. 22:28.000 --> 22:36.000 Hmm. You know, I just think that this is, maybe, more of that emotionally unstable diagnosis 22:36.000 --> 22:40.000 Doctor Burnett had given her-- I mean, like, you know, had she given that diagnosis? 22:40.000 --> 22:45.000 Yes, after the ice cream date, Doctor Burnett did give her that diagnosis. 22:45.000 --> 22:50.000 Sorry, I forgot to add that clip to today's materials. No, yeah, no worries. I'm just... (sigh) 22:50.000 --> 22:54.000 You know, I think that this is sort of the thing that landed her with that diagnosis. 22:54.000 --> 22:58.000 You know, she can't regulate her thoughts or feelings. Well she's panicked. 22:58.000 --> 22:58.000 Yeah, but, 22:58.000 --> 23:00.000 I mean, she can't calm herself down. 23:00.000 --> 23:02.000 I guess so, yeah. 23:02.000 --> 23:05.000 I mean, maybe that's why she feels ill-equipped for the real world. 23:05.000 --> 23:08.000 She just can't regulate. 23:08.000 --> 23:10.000 Well, on that note, would you like to hear the next clip? 23:10.000 --> 23:20.000 Yeah, absolutely. Go for it. (click) (walking, then sitting down) 23:20.000 --> 23:23.000 How are you feeling today, Hazel? 23:23.000 --> 23:26.000 You forgot your notebook. 23:26.000 --> 23:28.000 I don't want to take notes, 23:28.000 --> 23:31.000 I want to help you right now. 23:33.000 --> 23:35.000 I'm scared. 23:35.000 --> 23:38.000 I don't know what's going to happen. 23:38.000 --> 23:40.000 I don't like that. 23:40.000 --> 23:44.000 It's so... uncomfortable. 23:44.000 --> 23:46.000 I feel like I'm hovering, and 23:46.000 --> 23:49.000 I can't see a stable place to land. 23:49.000 --> 23:53.000 I've never known a life without someone taking care of me. 23:53.000 --> 24:00.000 First it was my parents, then my grandparents, then Charles, then Doctor Green, then you. And it'll still be me. 24:00.000 --> 24:02.000 But what if it isn't? 24:02.000 --> 24:05.000 What if you can't take me with you? 24:05.000 --> 24:12.000 There's nobody who can sign me out, and there's no way I'm well enough to leave, even if there were. 24:12.000 --> 24:14.000 There's nothing for me out there either. 24:14.000 --> 24:16.000 Charles's parents sold our house. 24:16.000 --> 24:19.000 I have nowhere to go, nobody to go to. 24:19.000 --> 24:21.000 I can't be on my own-- 24:21.000 --> 24:22.000 Hazel, slow down. 24:22.000 --> 24:23.000 Take a breath. 24:23.000 --> 24:25.000 There's no time-- There's months. 24:25.000 --> 24:31.000 Take a breath. (slow inhale and exhale) 24:33.000 --> 24:35.000 I have a plan. 24:35.000 --> 24:37.000 What? 24:37.000 --> 24:39.000 I have a plan. 24:39.000 --> 24:42.000 I know the ins and outs of the administration. 24:42.000 --> 24:44.000 We will make the papers work, 24:44.000 --> 24:46.000 I will leave with you, wherever you go, 24:46.000 --> 24:48.000 I'm by your side. 24:48.000 --> 24:51.000 We will get you to a better place, okay? 24:51.000 --> 24:56.000 We will get your head right, but I need you to work with me. 24:57.000 --> 25:00.000 Tell me what the plan is. 25:01.000 --> 25:05.000 I can't tell you everything, not yet. 25:05.000 --> 25:07.000 But we'll work together. 25:07.000 --> 25:10.000 We'll escape here together. 25:10.000 --> 25:14.000 We'll use the hospital's transition to our advantage. 25:14.000 --> 25:22.000 They'll want to transfer you elsewhere, to another psychiatric hospital, and we'll find an opportunity there to get you out. 25:22.000 --> 25:25.000 I'll take care of you. 25:25.000 --> 25:29.000 We can finally be together, just the two of us, for as long as we live. 25:31.000 --> 25:34.000 Do you trust me? 25:35.000 --> 25:37.000 Okay. 25:37.000 --> 25:38.000 I don't-- 25:38.000 --> 25:41.000 I don't like the uncertainty of this. 25:41.000 --> 25:43.000 I want to know whatever I can. 25:43.000 --> 25:52.000 I know you do, but there's a lot of strings to pull, and if I say it out loud and anyone hears me, it could ruin everything. 25:53.000 --> 25:56.000 Do you trust me? 25:58.000 --> 25:59.000 Yes, 25:59.000 --> 26:00.000 I do. 26:00.000 --> 26:03.000 That's all I need. 26:03.000 --> 26:06.000 We'll figure this out together, Hazel, 26:06.000 --> 26:07.000 I promise. 26:07.000 --> 26:09.000 Thank you. (hugging) 26:09.000 --> 26:11.000 Anything for you. (click) 26:14.000 --> 26:17.000 Okay, yeah, so... 26:17.000 --> 26:19.000 Alright, first off, 26:19.000 --> 26:24.000 Doctor Burnett seems to imply there that Hazel is getting transferred to another facility, right? 26:24.000 --> 26:25.000 Yeah, it would be splitting them up. 26:25.000 --> 26:28.000 So, I mean, like, she's not being kicked to the streets. 26:28.000 --> 26:30.000 No, she'll just be a ward of the state. 26:30.000 --> 26:31.000 I mean, is she not already? 26:31.000 --> 26:33.000 No, not at this point. 26:33.000 --> 26:39.000 At this point, even though her husband is dead, she is still considered his wife on the hospital paperwork. 26:39.000 --> 26:45.000 I guess the hospital needed separate permission to mark her a ward of the state, or there was some clerical issue or something. 26:45.000 --> 26:50.000 Because if she were ward of the state, I mean, they likely would have lobotomized and sterilized her by now. 26:50.000 --> 26:51.000 Yeah. Well, 26:51.000 --> 26:54.000 I think that clip is certainly telling. 26:54.000 --> 27:03.000 You know, Hazel is clearly having a difficult time adapting to this new reality, and, you know, struggling with the idea that this plan is out of her control. 27:03.000 --> 27:06.000 Yeah, I think it's very hard when there's a routine that, 27:06.000 --> 27:11.000 I mean, she already doesn't have control of, but she's used to it and the people around her. 27:11.000 --> 27:18.000 And then to be told that routine is going to change and she still won't have control over it, and she doesn't get to know how it's going to change-- Yeah, mhm. 27:18.000 --> 27:23.000 She's unwell, but she's also very human, and I think that it's a very human thing to stress about. 27:23.000 --> 27:26.000 She's just maybe like-- More stressed than your average bear. Exactly. 27:27.000 --> 27:31.000 Well, I'm interested to see how that plan develops. For sure. 27:31.000 --> 27:33.000 We're getting to the end here. 27:33.000 --> 27:35.000 We are, how exciting. 27:35.000 --> 27:43.000 We'll delve deeper into the juiciest part of the Doctor Love case-- --and the final part of their saga-- next week, exclusively here on "Mysteries of the Mind." 27:43.000 --> 27:49.000 I'm Daphne St. Clair, our hopeless romantic-- --and I'm Preston Knight, our resident psychology nerd. 27:49.000 --> 27:50.000 Thank you for tuning in! 27:50.000 --> 27:52.000 And we'll see you this time next week. 27:52.000 --> 27:53.000 Bye! 28:07.000 --> 28:12.000 Doctor Love is written and directed by Maya Appavoo, and produced by Maya Appavoo and Monica Gate. 28:12.000 --> 28:15.000 Starring the voice acting talents of Madeline Harsh as Daphne, 28:15.000 --> 28:17.000 Jacob Martin as Preston, 28:17.000 --> 28:21.000 Abby McDougall as Doctor Burnett, and Emily Lizotte as Hazel. 28:21.000 --> 28:23.000 Additional voices by Robert Wooldridge, 28:23.000 --> 28:26.000 Sarah McKinnon, and Cleo Birch. 28:26.000 --> 28:28.000 Post-production management by Monica Gate. 28:28.000 --> 28:32.000 Sound design for this episode by Ken Kosowick and music by Ken Kosowick. 28:33.000 --> 28:42.000 The full list of credits and disclaimers can be found in the episode description or on our website: appoova.ca/portfolio/doctorlove 28:42.000 --> 28:47.000 Follow us on social media. 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