WEBVTT 00:02.000 --> 00:05.000 Hello and welcome to the HumanWare See Things Differently podcast. 00:06.000 --> 00:16.000 Each month, join your hosts, Rachel Ramos and David Woodbridge as we bring you engaging interviews from guests, interaction from our one of a kind distribution partners stories that will take you off the beaten path. 00:17.000 --> 00:20.000 Current promos, shows where you can find us and so much more. 00:20.000 --> 00:23.000 So stick around. 00:23.000 --> 00:25.000 Hey, see things differently. 00:25.000 --> 00:28.000 Listeners, and welcome to episode 12. 00:29.000 --> 00:36.000 We have made it to the final episode of 2025, and I want to thank all of you for joining us. 00:36.000 --> 00:39.000 We have tons more episodes plans for 2026. 00:40.000 --> 00:43.000 So we are getting ready for those. 00:43.000 --> 00:50.000 But as we wrap up 2025, we have a spectacular guest, Gemma Gatehouse. 00:50.000 --> 00:59.000 She is from Tasmania all the way in Australia and she has an amazing story to tell us about her kiddos. 00:59.000 --> 01:04.000 She has three blind children who are varying ages and she's going to tell us all about that. 01:04.000 --> 01:14.000 But I am here with David Woodbridge as always, and we are here to have an amazing chat with Gemma about so many different topics. 01:14.000 --> 01:15.000 So stick around. 01:15.000 --> 01:19.000 You are in for some really good times. 01:19.000 --> 01:22.000 So first Gemma, welcome to the podcast. 01:22.000 --> 01:24.000 It's so great to have you here. 01:24.000 --> 01:26.000 Yeah, thank you for having me Gemma. 01:26.000 --> 01:37.000 Tell us, how did you first become involved with HumanWare obviously you're on the podcast now, but what was your first introduction to HumanWare. 01:38.000 --> 01:39.000 Yeah. 01:39.000 --> 01:46.000 So my daughter Lily, who is now nine, she, received a brilliant, probably about 18 months ago. 01:46.000 --> 01:50.000 And that was sort of organized through the school and then through the NDIS. 01:50.000 --> 01:52.000 And so she has one at school and one at home. 01:52.000 --> 01:59.000 And yeah, so our journey has been, really great with that. 01:59.000 --> 02:01.000 It's opened her world in so many ways. 02:01.000 --> 02:08.000 And we actually have a Facebook page, which is, has someone reached out to me from the HumanWare group? And. 02:08.000 --> 02:11.000 Yeah. So it's been really great to make those connections. 02:11.000 --> 02:14.000 Tell us a little more about your Facebook page. 02:14.000 --> 02:17.000 I think it was Andrew Flatres, our senior product manager. 02:17.000 --> 02:21.000 He somehow came across it and was like, we have to have Gemma on the podcast and I was all about it. 02:21.000 --> 02:24.000 So what is it that you guys showcase on your Facebook page? 02:24.000 --> 02:27.000 Well, maybe I need to look it up, but I'm going to ask you first. 02:28.000 --> 02:28.000 Yeah. 02:28.000 --> 02:44.000 So, our page is called life with Lily, Andy and Eddie, and, we just post day to day stuff about, about the kids, and, it's really about what they can do, because a lot of people, you know, hear that they're blind or say that they're blind, and they, they automatically think that that's a bad thing. 02:44.000 --> 02:51.000 And so that page is really about showing them how great their life is and how much that they can actually do from a parent point of view. 02:51.000 --> 02:53.000 It's absolutely cute as well. 02:53.000 --> 02:55.000 So I know it has to share its message. 02:55.000 --> 03:01.000 I love hearing stories about, plants and that sort of stuff, especially from a, quote, positive attitude. 03:01.000 --> 03:02.000 So no, it's lovely. It's great. 03:02.000 --> 03:14.000 I was at the Braille Challenge earlier this year, and that was the only other concentrated place where I've seen parents and kiddos just come together. 03:14.000 --> 03:18.000 And for, Gemma, if you may not know, the Braille challenge is a competition. 03:18.000 --> 03:20.000 Actually, it is in Australia as well. 03:20.000 --> 03:32.000 This where kids compete in various academic categories, and if they win in their category from their school, then they come to the finals, which are held in Los Angeles, California. 03:32.000 --> 03:38.000 And these are just kiddos who are Braille champions and their parents are all about it too. 03:39.000 --> 03:45.000 And it was so neat to to come across all the excitement and the enthusiasm from the kids and parents. 03:45.000 --> 03:56.000 And it sounds like you and Lily and Andy and Edie and Luke, your husband, are modeling that, as well with your Facebook page, which is incredible. 03:56.000 --> 03:58.000 So tell us a little bit more. 03:58.000 --> 04:02.000 Lily got a brilliant tell us about Andy and Edie and how old they are. 04:02.000 --> 04:05.000 And what are they doing in terms of Braille? 04:05.000 --> 04:10.000 I think David wanted to ask about maybe some pre braille skills that you're doing. 04:10.000 --> 04:11.000 I've got Andy who's six. 04:11.000 --> 04:15.000 He's actually autistic as well. 04:15.000 --> 04:17.000 And he is non-verbal. 04:17.000 --> 04:21.000 He is absolutely obsessed with the Braille, as though he loves the sounds that makes. 04:21.000 --> 04:22.000 And he mimics the sounds. 04:22.000 --> 04:29.000 And, so he's really in that pre braille stage still, and, you know, he loves the books. 04:29.000 --> 04:31.000 He loves all the tactile stuff. 04:31.000 --> 04:36.000 Edie, on the other hand, he's three he is extremely keen to learn Braille. 04:36.000 --> 04:39.000 So him and Lily often sit there together. 04:39.000 --> 04:41.000 Writing braille books. 04:41.000 --> 04:43.000 It is obsessed with the Brailliant. 04:43.000 --> 04:45.000 And Kate's asking for one. 04:46.000 --> 04:46.000 Number two. 04:46.000 --> 04:49.000 Yeah, I love it. Yeah, yeah. 04:49.000 --> 04:56.000 So they keep saying to me, you know, your time will come, but, we're only talking about, you know, Santa this morning. 04:56.000 --> 04:59.000 And he said, oh, you know, Santa is bringing me a Brailliant. 05:00.000 --> 05:02.000 I don't know that he's be very confident. 05:02.000 --> 05:05.000 He has a lot of faith and confidence in Santa. 05:05.000 --> 05:08.000 He sure does. Yes. That is amazing. 05:08.000 --> 05:09.000 That's right. Totally. 05:09.000 --> 05:12.000 So Eddie it's really just been ingrained since birth for him. 05:12.000 --> 05:14.000 So you know so Lily it took a little bit longer. 05:14.000 --> 05:23.000 I mean we tried to bring it into her life quite early, but obviously we were going through her diagnosis and, you know, building that team around us. 05:23.000 --> 05:29.000 Whereas, you know, Eddie's first cane was the size of a ruler. Oh, okay. 05:29.000 --> 05:32.000 So we knew he was blind and nicely. 05:32.000 --> 05:35.000 So, I think that's been a really big positive. 05:35.000 --> 05:41.000 And Lily's been a really big positive role model for him in terms of learning vital with non-verbal communication. 05:41.000 --> 05:45.000 Gemma, how do you actually go with that? 05:45.000 --> 05:46.000 Because I know I've had, 05:46.000 --> 05:50.000 I've actually got two autistic adults there that are both. 05:50.000 --> 05:51.000 Well, they've 05:51.000 --> 05:54.000 I mean, they're classified as non-verbal, but they do have certain key words. 05:55.000 --> 06:04.000 But my wife had to always use storyboards and visual prompts and all that sort of stuff. So how do you go with a child that actually can't see that type of visual stuff? 06:04.000 --> 06:05.000 Yeah, that's a great question. 06:05.000 --> 06:07.000 It's been a huge learning curve for us. 06:07.000 --> 06:15.000 So he actually uses a lab device, which we're in the very early stages of, and it has a, a tactile guard over the top of it. 06:15.000 --> 06:19.000 So the idea is that eventually he'll be able to find the buttons. 06:19.000 --> 06:22.000 But I feel, however, in saying that he. 06:22.000 --> 06:23.000 Yes, he's non-verbal. 06:23.000 --> 06:26.000 But again, he's really blossomed in the last few months. 06:26.000 --> 06:29.000 And I, I think that's a big credit to Eddie, to be honest. 06:29.000 --> 06:31.000 They've become really great friends. 06:31.000 --> 06:38.000 So, you know, even in the last two weeks, we've noticed that he's now saying, I want Chucky, I want something. 06:38.000 --> 06:52.000 So I don't feel that he will ever have, you know, really long conversations with us that, using some words in combination with his Lamp program, we're hoping that he'll be able to, you know, tell us his basic needs with our children. 06:52.000 --> 06:58.000 We were always keen on just the the absolute important cues like, you know, I need help. 06:59.000 --> 07:05.000 You know, I, I'm, I'm getting angry or I can't concentrate or those sort of things. 07:05.000 --> 07:06.000 Absolutely. 07:06.000 --> 07:09.000 Yeah. And we've made some of those, okay. 07:09.000 --> 07:13.000 You know, you know, like the visuals we've made some of those tactile before. 07:13.000 --> 07:14.000 So things like. 07:14.000 --> 07:19.000 No. And yes. So we're working pretty closely with his speech, and his team to develop those. 07:19.000 --> 07:22.000 So do you actually use an augmentative communication device. 07:22.000 --> 07:25.000 Is that the board you were talking about that had the group? Yes. 07:25.000 --> 07:25.000 So we do. 07:25.000 --> 07:31.000 So it's a we've got a, accent 1000, I think it's called. 07:31.000 --> 07:32.000 Yeah. And it's got the lap program on it. 07:32.000 --> 07:38.000 Now, before we started recording, Gemma, you mentioned that you have two older stepchildren. 07:38.000 --> 07:43.000 How do they interact with, Lily, Andy and Eddie? 07:44.000 --> 07:45.000 Yeah, it's really interesting. 07:45.000 --> 07:49.000 I mean, we're just that they're just normal siblings. 07:49.000 --> 07:52.000 They fight like normal siblings. 07:52.000 --> 07:55.000 Like barking like a parent, right? 07:55.000 --> 07:56.000 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 07:56.000 --> 08:03.000 No, they're really great with the kids, and they, you know, they've just sort of grown up knowing no different with them. 08:03.000 --> 08:09.000 And, you know, they they'll explain things like Annabel will cook with them and she'll explain things as she goes along. 08:09.000 --> 08:14.000 And it's sort of just been so much part of our communication since they were born. 08:14.000 --> 08:20.000 So yeah, it's it's just kind of very normal family life here, just with a bit of extra help at time. 08:20.000 --> 08:21.000 Oh, exactly. 08:21.000 --> 08:24.000 And in other words, it's actually quite normal, unquote. 08:24.000 --> 08:26.000 What's normal anyway besides the setting on a washer. 08:26.000 --> 08:27.000 That's. Yeah. 08:27.000 --> 08:30.000 So, getting back to sort of the pre brown stuff. 08:30.000 --> 08:33.000 So yeah, I mean, I know you know, it, it only works at three. 08:33.000 --> 08:36.000 So but what sort of pre brown skills do people actually do. 08:36.000 --> 08:40.000 Because I've always heard you know these white educators talk about pre brown stuff. 08:40.000 --> 08:44.000 But what is what's it like I mean do you play with different shapes. 08:44.000 --> 08:46.000 Do you get spatial orientation. 08:46.000 --> 08:51.000 The things like I don't know playing with dots like I what sort of happens with sort of pre brown stuff. 08:51.000 --> 08:52.000 Oh okay. 08:52.000 --> 08:54.000 And therapy assistant work a lot with Eddie. 08:54.000 --> 08:56.000 You know it's a lot of that finger strength stuff as well. 08:56.000 --> 09:01.000 So the plan know yeah the Play-Doh the the shapes. 09:01.000 --> 09:02.000 Absolutely. 09:02.000 --> 09:04.000 You know just orientation to all sorts of different things. 09:04.000 --> 09:27.000 If even in those early days, it was noted that Lily was probably a little bit weaker in her, and so it was actually just getting out and doing more gymnastics and that sort of stuff just to be able to, you know, fix her posture, which I actually found quite fascinating, that that was all basically getting her ready to sit at a desk with a proper posture with a good finger straight fed those brain skills. 09:27.000 --> 09:30.000 Do you do anything like pre cane skills? 09:30.000 --> 09:32.000 I don't know if I'd call it on at three years old. 09:32.000 --> 09:35.000 Well, you'd be really surprised. Eddie's. 09:35.000 --> 09:42.000 I'd say really competent with his cane and and again, if you look at some of the videos on my page, he, he's learned how to sleep. 09:42.000 --> 09:43.000 He knows how to hold his cane. 09:43.000 --> 09:45.000 He has a preferred hand. 09:45.000 --> 09:48.000 He's learned how to navigate stairs up and down. 09:48.000 --> 09:52.000 So he's actually and again, I think that's just because it's been in his life forever. 09:52.000 --> 10:01.000 So Lily, Lily was a little bit slower with her cane, and I think it was just because she was the only person she's ever known to have a cane where it's, you know, it is. 10:01.000 --> 10:03.000 He's he's in with his. 10:03.000 --> 10:05.000 He's actually out with his own instructor this morning. 10:05.000 --> 10:09.000 He navigates the, the elevators. 10:09.000 --> 10:10.000 Yeah. He's great getting back to Lily there. 10:10.000 --> 10:12.000 So how do you find the school with support. 10:12.000 --> 10:16.000 So Lily getting around and being in class, what's it like at school for her? 10:16.000 --> 10:18.000 She actually loves school. 10:18.000 --> 10:22.000 We recently took her out for a week to go to Queensland, and she was so mad at us. 10:23.000 --> 10:33.000 Which I think is a testament to the school that, she made her vision teacher give her multiple books, and they did online sessions while we're waiting. Oh, well, this is clean. 10:33.000 --> 10:34.000 That's great. 10:34.000 --> 10:37.000 She's very well supported. She's got a really great team. 10:37.000 --> 10:44.000 You know, there's always bumps in the road, but I'm sure that the school of really you know, they've been really keen to learn with her. 10:44.000 --> 10:52.000 And, and you know her teachers in that have tried to learn braille with her, but she just kind of as did I, but she just went, you know, well ahead of us. 10:52.000 --> 10:54.000 So just cruising past. Yep. 10:54.000 --> 10:57.000 And as it should, you know, she's using it every day. 10:57.000 --> 10:58.000 Absolutely. 10:58.000 --> 11:02.000 And and you know, we we felt that it's been the right fit for her. 11:02.000 --> 11:06.000 I actually have the kids in all different schools and that's just the way it's fit for them. 11:06.000 --> 11:11.000 So yeah, we've been we've been really happy to have any hobbies as as such. 11:11.000 --> 11:16.000 I mean, she enjoyed doing certain things or reading or getting out and about or exercising or what did she enjoy doing? 11:17.000 --> 11:18.000 So it was her choice. 11:18.000 --> 11:21.000 She would probably read 24 hours a day. 11:22.000 --> 11:26.000 That she's, you know, onto the chapter books and that sort of stuff. 11:26.000 --> 11:29.000 She, she does choir. She loves to sing. 11:29.000 --> 11:31.000 She does gymnastics. 11:31.000 --> 11:32.000 Yeah. She's quite busy. 11:32.000 --> 11:34.000 I think there's only one day a week that she hasn't got something on. 11:34.000 --> 11:38.000 So when you say books, I mean, I'll think about when I first got my books. 11:38.000 --> 11:44.000 You know, I think the Britannica Encyclopedia was like 185 volumes in the library. 11:44.000 --> 11:44.000 Right. 11:44.000 --> 11:47.000 So just does really have Braille book sets in hardcopy books. 11:47.000 --> 11:51.000 Or are you transitioning to electronic books on the Bryant, for example? 11:52.000 --> 11:52.000 Yeah. 11:52.000 --> 11:57.000 So we do have a, quite a few of those, you know, early years books. 11:57.000 --> 12:01.000 But obviously as as she gets older, it's harder to get access to those. 12:01.000 --> 12:08.000 So, the braylee, it's actually been a lifesaver for us in that regard, you know, downloading as many books as we can. 12:08.000 --> 12:11.000 And I think I download at least 50 a week, and I'm sure she gets through them. 12:11.000 --> 12:15.000 She takes it in the car to school, reads the whole way, the school reads the whole way home. 12:15.000 --> 12:18.000 So yeah, that's a huge passion of hers. 12:18.000 --> 12:24.000 So many people say to me, you know, and it's a very common comment on our pages, why don't you give her audio books? 12:24.000 --> 12:25.000 But she hates them. 12:25.000 --> 12:35.000 She absolutely hates everything about listening to audiobooks is that you never learn how to spell punctuation, mark spacing, all that sort of stuff to kind of bring things around. 12:35.000 --> 12:38.000 Here you have three blind kiddos, which is incredible. 12:38.000 --> 12:42.000 What would you say is their favorite thing to do? 12:42.000 --> 12:49.000 I guess together, either with your you and your husband and your step kiddos, or just them by themselves. 12:49.000 --> 12:51.000 What what do they enjoy doing together? 12:51.000 --> 12:54.000 One of our main things that we do as a family is camping. 12:54.000 --> 13:00.000 We try and spend as much time as we can in the caravan, so waiting for those warmer days to come now so we can get back out. 13:01.000 --> 13:04.000 They're obsessed with beaches, pools, swimming and camping. 13:04.000 --> 13:08.000 So that's how you know, the biggest thing we do together? 13:08.000 --> 13:09.000 Probably so. Right. 13:09.000 --> 13:11.000 So that's what this is what it's like to be in Australia at night. 13:11.000 --> 13:13.000 And they're out there in the bush. 13:14.000 --> 13:16.000 I got to get over there and do some camping. 13:16.000 --> 13:18.000 Sounds like some professional development for you. 13:18.000 --> 13:21.000 You can come in and have a working holiday. 13:21.000 --> 13:22.000 Absolutely. 13:22.000 --> 13:28.000 We're going to go and justify this and I'm going to go and professionally develop my my camping skills. 13:28.000 --> 13:35.000 I can say that we need to test out a few, drapes devices to make sure that when you're navigating down the river that you actually go in the right direction. 13:35.000 --> 13:35.000 That's right. 13:35.000 --> 13:48.000 Sounds good to me for any parents listening, whether they're blind parents themselves or if they have if they themselves, like you have blind children, do you have any kind of thing that you'd want to kind of pass on to them? 13:48.000 --> 13:52.000 Maybe something you've said on your page before or just something that's coming to you now? 13:52.000 --> 13:58.000 I've had quite a few people reach out to me on my page, actually, which has been one of the really big positives. 13:58.000 --> 14:01.000 And it might be people from countries that maybe don't have the same support. 14:01.000 --> 14:09.000 I think it's just let them be kids, let them, you know, if if he if another keeps doing it, find a way they they can do it. 14:09.000 --> 14:15.000 And and that's been something that we've always said with our kids, if they want to we'll, we'll make it happen. 14:15.000 --> 14:24.000 Now, another thing that I've found really valuable to my journey is actually trying to meet other blind people because we are quite, you know, we don't have a lot of that in Tasmania. 14:24.000 --> 14:27.000 We've got a few, you know, blind adults here and there. 14:27.000 --> 14:33.000 But, we try and get to the mainland as much as we can and, and, you know, broaden their, their circle, really. 14:33.000 --> 14:36.000 And I think that's really important to. 14:38.000 --> 14:39.000 Hey everybody. 14:39.000 --> 14:42.000 And welcome to the Hot Topic segment. 14:42.000 --> 14:48.000 Gemma has graciously agreed to stay and talk to us a little bit more. 14:48.000 --> 14:57.000 We want to talk about games, especially with three blind kiddos in Gemma's house and play and what kind of skills those develop. 14:57.000 --> 15:04.000 I know when I was growing up, I certainly played tactile games, you know, games with raised shapes and things with my family. 15:04.000 --> 15:06.000 And I would love to know. 15:06.000 --> 15:18.000 Gemma, what are some of the games that you've played with either some or all of your kiddos to kind of help develop those those skills of just socialization, interaction and just have fun? 15:18.000 --> 15:21.000 We do you have old monopoly? 15:21.000 --> 15:27.000 One of the the big hits here though is Braille, you know, that's nice. 15:27.000 --> 15:29.000 Oh, that's my favorite line. 15:29.000 --> 15:34.000 I j yes, yes, I was going to say did the caravan stackable. 15:34.000 --> 15:35.000 Draw two is always. 15:38.000 --> 15:38.000 Yeah. 15:38.000 --> 15:41.000 It's always an argument in this house which is what the rules are. 15:41.000 --> 15:43.000 But, and that's been a really big one. 15:43.000 --> 15:44.000 It's lovely. 15:44.000 --> 15:49.000 You know, we've got to talk to Laurie, which often, you know, probably those pre brown skills. 15:49.000 --> 15:51.000 That's more for Edie and and above. 15:51.000 --> 15:55.000 So, they have a few different games on them that they can play with those. 15:55.000 --> 15:57.000 We've got the brown Legos. 15:57.000 --> 16:02.000 Recently when we were in Queensland they started playing Marco Polo, which was really cool. 16:02.000 --> 16:04.000 Edie and Lily loved that in the pool. 16:04.000 --> 16:10.000 That was such a, yeah, I guess a normal game that they could play with their peas. 16:10.000 --> 16:16.000 Actually, the one thing that I used, I love playing with my children because they had no special concept was pin the tail on the donkey blindfolded. 16:16.000 --> 16:16.000 Yeah. 16:18.000 --> 16:19.000 Oh, yeah. 16:19.000 --> 16:20.000 That's a good one. 16:20.000 --> 16:22.000 That's like, that's that's not fair. I mean, hang on a minute. 16:22.000 --> 16:25.000 What do you mean it's not fair? You can say like, hard. 16:25.000 --> 16:27.000 So let's just, you know, let's level the playing field, dude. 16:27.000 --> 16:28.000 Absolutely. 16:28.000 --> 16:32.000 And it's all those games that are so important talking about the the brawl. 16:32.000 --> 16:38.000 You know, one of my friends who reads Braille, he cheats because he can actually read back to front. 16:38.000 --> 16:41.000 He can actually read the imprints on the back of the card. 16:42.000 --> 16:54.000 So so I've learned I've learned how to keep my cards below the table because hey guys, I'm going to you've got to read two might have you slightly energy down energy because I can see that you printed on the back of the car just like you did. 16:54.000 --> 16:56.000 All right. Thank you. Yeah, that's okay. 16:58.000 --> 17:12.000 So what other games to the I mean, I know one thing I was thinking nervous about was swimming at the beach because I used to think, oh, if I got eaten there, I'm going to get like the, you know, not on front in the water, but you'd actually you don't come back to where you started off on the beach. 17:12.000 --> 17:15.000 How do you find the kids, go to the beach and swimming in the beach? 17:15.000 --> 17:16.000 Oh, they absolutely love it. 17:16.000 --> 17:19.000 They, pretty good at listening to us. 17:19.000 --> 17:29.000 Although Andy will just go out as deep as he possibly can and tread water all day if he could, yeah, they did pretty good at joining into their environment. 17:29.000 --> 17:30.000 They really do. 17:30.000 --> 17:32.000 You know, listen to the lesson. 17:32.000 --> 17:35.000 We're always talking and we're obviously in there with them as well. 17:35.000 --> 17:43.000 Have your children or have you as a parent, have you investigated all these sort of echo type spatial sounds also like echo location. 17:43.000 --> 17:44.000 Yeah. 17:44.000 --> 17:46.000 Like I yeah, yeah. Eddie's a low for it. 17:46.000 --> 18:05.000 I think in a way they actually all, they don't, you know, they don't do the, the clicking is such that he's actually a video on my, on my page of Eddie walking through a corridor at the hospital, and it he, he was so excited at how much of a great echo location room it was for him. 18:05.000 --> 18:06.000 Yeah. 18:06.000 --> 18:15.000 I say they often tell me that this wall next to them and, people are always amazed that they, you know, they walk straight down a hallway and I believe it's because they're using echolocation. 18:15.000 --> 18:18.000 How do you find these ties with toys and electronic toys? 18:18.000 --> 18:25.000 I mean, are there still toys around these days that you could still, you know, that adaptable or kids can play. 18:25.000 --> 18:29.000 So you can just rather than having to go to a, you know, a store and go, oh, God, where are they? 18:29.000 --> 18:32.000 Can you still get toys, electronic toys that are sort of roughly accessible? 18:32.000 --> 18:34.000 Well, yes and no. 18:34.000 --> 18:41.000 I always, I always dread Christmas and birthdays coming up, to be honest, because it is quite hard to find something that's good for them. 18:42.000 --> 18:43.000 Andy's easy. 18:43.000 --> 18:45.000 He loves anything that makes noise. 18:45.000 --> 18:49.000 He's got a few stocks and favorite toys that we end up replacing over and over again. 18:49.000 --> 18:55.000 Lily actually is really, she's got about, 18:55.000 --> 18:59.000 I would say, in the hundreds of little figurines on types of figurines. 18:59.000 --> 19:01.000 She loves. 19:01.000 --> 19:07.000 We've recently discovered the the old school Fisher-Price, dolls, and they're quite, quite small. 19:07.000 --> 19:16.000 And so she's got probably I would say she's got over 100 of those and she groups them into, like, Andy's class, her siblings and all sorts of things. 19:16.000 --> 19:24.000 And that's, it's actually really fascinating watching her play with them, because she can tell them all apart just by picking them up very quickly. 19:24.000 --> 19:26.000 She goes, oh, that's mum, that's such and such. 19:26.000 --> 19:31.000 And and that's really she really enjoys all that kind of imaginative play. 19:31.000 --> 19:38.000 And I think in, in a way she's using those scenarios to play out the world in her way. 19:38.000 --> 19:40.000 It's really fascinating to watch. Yeah. 19:40.000 --> 19:45.000 So in terms of actually finding specifics, it's very difficult. 19:45.000 --> 19:48.000 And if you want to add a bit of Braille into that, it's very expensive. 19:48.000 --> 19:50.000 That's true. Sure. Yeah. 19:50.000 --> 19:56.000 Well one thing I've discovered is I did I didn't realize this until last year because I'm really into the F1 now. 19:56.000 --> 19:58.000 So and I actually got Vision Australia. 19:58.000 --> 20:03.000 Their access library not only does tactile maps, but they also do 3D models. 20:04.000 --> 20:05.000 And I, 20:05.000 --> 20:08.000 I asked them for a 3D model of an F1 racing car and I got one. 20:08.000 --> 20:10.000 So I was like, oh, that's so cool. 20:10.000 --> 20:12.000 This. 20:12.000 --> 20:15.000 So it's like, yeah, look, I wonder know what a two day thing feels like? 20:15.000 --> 20:19.000 But having a 3D model of a of a car, it's actually really, really cool. 20:19.000 --> 20:21.000 My son's favorite one was the buffet. 20:21.000 --> 20:22.000 You know, you twist it punch. 20:22.000 --> 20:24.000 Oh yes. 20:24.000 --> 20:26.000 Buffet is fun. Yeah. 20:26.000 --> 20:29.000 We have every single version of the buffet ever made. Yes. 20:29.000 --> 20:32.000 There you go. Yeah. True fans. It true fans. 20:32.000 --> 20:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 20:33.000 --> 20:36.000 I'm speaking of toys. So. Yeah. 20:36.000 --> 20:37.000 Nine years old now. 20:37.000 --> 20:43.000 I use sort of thinking of, you know, tablet type things at this stage like iPads or iPhones. 20:43.000 --> 20:45.000 Right. There was the store did early. Yes. 20:45.000 --> 20:49.000 So, Lily's actually had an iPhone for about two years now. 20:50.000 --> 20:56.000 She doesn't use it in the same way that, you know, a teenager or older kids would use it. 20:56.000 --> 21:14.000 But, she really loves watching movies, so, we really got it for her to start using that voiceover, which she doesn't love, but she's definitely getting better at, and so we're sort of encouraging her, put her own movie on of a year and picking her own movies. 21:14.000 --> 21:16.000 And, you know, she she can sit there. 21:16.000 --> 21:18.000 She loves to call and, and pop. 21:18.000 --> 21:21.000 And so she uses, Siri for that. 21:21.000 --> 21:24.000 So she uses her voice to do all that independently. 21:24.000 --> 21:29.000 She can send text messages, to, to, you know, the family and stuff, which she loves to do. 21:29.000 --> 21:32.000 So, you know, she doesn't take it everywhere with her. 21:32.000 --> 21:37.000 And it's not like it used in the same way that a phone is used for other people, I suppose. 21:37.000 --> 21:49.000 But it was sort of just to bring those, those three, you know, those pretty important skills when she's older, she's just, discovered that she can actually use maths and it will tell her where to go. 21:49.000 --> 21:51.000 So she's starting to use that a bit more. 21:51.000 --> 21:53.000 She's got the Ray-Ban glasses. 21:53.000 --> 21:54.000 Oh, God. Oh. 21:54.000 --> 21:58.000 Wow. Again, never too early, though. 21:59.000 --> 22:01.000 And she absolutely loves them. 22:01.000 --> 22:04.000 So she surprisingly loves shopping. 22:04.000 --> 22:06.000 She she would shop all day if she could. 22:06.000 --> 22:11.000 And so she uses the glasses to go shopping and she'll go, you know, hey, mirror, what's in front of me? 22:11.000 --> 22:15.000 Explain this doll to me. You know what? 22:15.000 --> 22:17.000 Show me where I am in the shop then. Yeah. 22:17.000 --> 22:18.000 So I've been using those. 22:18.000 --> 22:21.000 She uses those with her or with them as well. 22:21.000 --> 22:22.000 Yeah. 22:22.000 --> 22:25.000 So I feel like we've got quite a few of the bits that you're doing. 22:25.000 --> 22:28.000 You're doing extremely well. Yeah, right. Wow. 22:28.000 --> 22:30.000 You guys are ahead of the game. That's great. 22:30.000 --> 22:39.000 But I must say, I did enjoy watching when Shrek became, audio describing this is probably really old me for some people, but I still love it because my child needs to watch it all the time when it first came out. 22:39.000 --> 22:47.000 And, it's amazing how audio description just brings all these really fantastic movies to life because you can so enjoy it. 22:47.000 --> 22:52.000 The look that's so great that she loves watching her own movies and that sort of stuff. And the Ray-Bans. 22:52.000 --> 22:56.000 I use the Ray-Bans to find out where I'm on the railway station because sometimes I can't find the stairs. 22:56.000 --> 23:01.000 My beloved guide dog will confidently go off in the wrong direction, right? 23:01.000 --> 23:02.000 Yeah. 23:02.000 --> 23:05.000 No dude, this is not the way to the stairs. 23:06.000 --> 23:12.000 We just try to incorporate whatever we can into their day and, you know, give them as much tools as we can. 23:12.000 --> 23:14.000 Anything in your toolbox. If it works, it works. 23:14.000 --> 23:17.000 If it doesn't, you can find another one and and go for it. 23:17.000 --> 23:19.000 Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It's not just one solution. 23:19.000 --> 23:21.000 This has been so much fun. 23:21.000 --> 23:35.000 To hear you speak about your kids and the things that you do as a family and of course, as a parent to try and get them ready for whatever life has, whether it's school or with little Eddie. 23:35.000 --> 23:38.000 He's cruising around the world already. 23:38.000 --> 23:40.000 Like, again, never too early. 23:40.000 --> 23:41.000 So thank you for everything you're doing. 23:41.000 --> 23:44.000 You're having a lot of fun, I can tell. 23:44.000 --> 23:56.000 And, you're you're passing all the all the knowledge on to to everyone else, right, of what games can be played or what technology should we start incorporating into the kids lives so that they can kind of get a head start? 23:57.000 --> 24:01.000 Well, Gemma, I want to wish you happy holidays to you and your family. 24:02.000 --> 24:05.000 And, I hope you have an amazing Christmas season and a great new Year. 24:05.000 --> 24:08.000 Yes, same to you guys. Thanks so much for having me. 24:10.000 --> 24:13.000 Welcome, everybody to Partner Corner. 24:13.000 --> 24:17.000 This month we bring you part two of the interview conducted with Jason Martin. 24:17.000 --> 24:21.000 He is the product manager for Wing It over at APA. 24:21.000 --> 24:29.000 If you want to catch up on part one of the interview, please go ahead and find episode 11 in your podcast player. 24:29.000 --> 24:30.000 And now here's Jason. 24:30.000 --> 24:37.000 When you release something like that, you, you and the team have been working on it for so long and in a bubble, really. 24:37.000 --> 24:45.000 I mean, we did field testing and we did internal testing, but it's still a very small group of people compared to to the general public. 24:46.000 --> 24:46.000 Right. 24:46.000 --> 24:54.000 You just don't know how the public is going to take to to something like going up and at one of these conferences, 24:54.000 --> 24:58.000 I've gotta say, when, when it was a good feeling, it really was one wing. 24:58.000 --> 24:59.000 It was out in the wild. 24:59.000 --> 25:03.000 People were were giving us responses on it for really how they felt about it. 25:04.000 --> 25:12.000 And somebody came up and they said, oh, well, obviously this drawing application is not for a blind person. 25:12.000 --> 25:14.000 And I was like, yes, it is. 25:14.000 --> 25:16.000 Well, it's it's accessible. 25:16.000 --> 25:18.000 It's like, yes, yes it is. 25:18.000 --> 25:19.000 You mean you can draw with it? 25:19.000 --> 25:21.000 Yes, yes you can. 25:21.000 --> 25:27.000 And they were just so certain that, you know, this drawing application. 25:27.000 --> 25:29.000 Now, is it the easiest thing in the world. 25:29.000 --> 25:31.000 No. Is it easy for me now. 25:31.000 --> 25:35.000 But is it, is it a step in the right direction? 25:35.000 --> 25:37.000 Absolutely. 25:38.000 --> 25:45.000 We've we've seen great success, with people using stencils over, the iOS device. 25:45.000 --> 25:49.000 So I just simply tracing stencils where they haven't before. 25:49.000 --> 25:55.000 I think learning how to draw digitally in general is tough. 25:56.000 --> 25:59.000 And so, like to your point, I think I've, 25:59.000 --> 26:07.000 I've seen a lot of students at first go, oh, I'm terrible at this, but I can do it over and over and over and over again. 26:07.000 --> 26:09.000 And it doesn't cost anything. 26:09.000 --> 26:10.000 And so like that. 26:10.000 --> 26:17.000 That's really a cool, cool part that I've seen students instantly jump on is that I can start drawing myself. 26:18.000 --> 26:25.000 There's there's quite a lot to see with it, and I'm so excited to see really what teachers are going to do this school year. 26:25.000 --> 26:32.000 Like what drawings are going to be shared with wing it and and really, what creations are kind of coming out of it. 26:32.000 --> 26:38.000 So now that it's officially out and the school year has officially begun, what will we see? 26:38.000 --> 26:43.000 How will wing it even grow and improve as an application as well? 26:44.000 --> 26:47.000 So there's some really cool things that we haven't touched on with. 26:47.000 --> 26:59.000 We get that that it's when you look at digital tactile braille that some of it might seem equal or might seem the same, but what really separates wing it is when you have 27:00.000 --> 27:03.000 Braille on a tactile graphic image. 27:03.000 --> 27:17.000 Right now, it's kind of iffy if you zoom in to that image, if that Braille does in fact stay the same or stay in the same location, you know, on, depending on what image and how the image was created. 27:18.000 --> 27:22.000 And so with wing it now, what's pretty incredible is that are Braille labels. 27:22.000 --> 27:25.000 When you label them, you don't have to know braille. 27:25.000 --> 27:33.000 So if it's a teacher or a peer, maybe it's just a friend or a parent that wants to label something for you. 27:33.000 --> 27:36.000 They can label that in print and it comes over in Braille. 27:37.000 --> 27:43.000 They can draw something and a person can label on the side of the monarch itself. 27:43.000 --> 27:50.000 But then the zoom levels are effectively they're infinite. 27:50.000 --> 27:58.000 And that's what's really cool about it, is that the shapes and drawings so say if it's a campus map, someone is drawn. 27:58.000 --> 28:05.000 You can make that as large or as small as really physically possible. 28:05.000 --> 28:11.000 And in the Braille, as, as much as physically possible is going to stay the same. 28:11.000 --> 28:21.000 So like if you zoom out all the way like an image or, campus map it visually or tactically, it's going to get it's going to become gibberish. 28:21.000 --> 28:25.000 And if you zoom all the way in, it's going to get so big that you can't even tell. 28:25.000 --> 28:27.000 But all those spaces in between. 28:27.000 --> 28:37.000 Now, what we can do is be very, very clear and how that's, representing and that there's no borders necessarily with wing it. 28:37.000 --> 28:49.000 So most tactile graphics are limited by a space of, 11.5 by 14 or something of those standards with wing it, there aren't any in that sense. 28:49.000 --> 28:54.000 So you do have a canvas that's broad and open and it's really for you to create on. 28:55.000 --> 29:00.000 Like you said, it's not limiting books and papers and bindings and things do have standards. 29:00.000 --> 29:03.000 And even some of the things in the app. 29:03.000 --> 29:21.000 Gil, you have certain numbers of zoom levels, but if you're just creating, it's very neat that that's kind of up to the artist to draw and then have the, the blind person or who whoever's interpreting the graphic be able to interpret maps can scale up or down as needed. 29:21.000 --> 29:30.000 And I think that's really helpful, especially when teaching new concepts or tactile maps is is really another thing that I find fascinating in learning. 29:30.000 --> 29:32.000 You know, new cities are they're angled streets. 29:32.000 --> 29:36.000 If somebody could just draw an intersection, how helpful would that be? 29:36.000 --> 29:40.000 I mean, now I'm kind of wondering we talk about wing it in the classroom. 29:40.000 --> 29:45.000 What about wing it in terms of O&M or travel experiences? 29:45.000 --> 29:48.000 I would name is one of my favorite things to use. 29:48.000 --> 29:49.000 Wing it for. 29:49.000 --> 29:56.000 Because I mean like an example to just draw a classroom or draw a campus map. 29:57.000 --> 29:58.000 I can do that. 29:58.000 --> 30:02.000 And now over some practice, I can do it in about seconds. 30:03.000 --> 30:15.000 But where something like that would have taken at least from the time of conception to fingertips, would have taken at least half a day, at minimum. 30:15.000 --> 30:18.000 So, so something like this is pretty incredible. 30:18.000 --> 30:24.000 I'll tell you what's fun about seeing it, seeing wing it out in the wild is all the different use cases. 30:24.000 --> 30:26.000 So, it was David Woodbridge with human. 30:26.000 --> 30:27.000 Where with you guys? 30:27.000 --> 30:34.000 I saw him post this that he was using wing it for karate katas and like to learn that. 30:34.000 --> 30:35.000 And it's really stuck with me. 30:35.000 --> 30:37.000 I was like, well, that's that's cool. 30:37.000 --> 30:43.000 I've used that that story several times, and, but it like other examples, 30:44.000 --> 30:46.000 I've used it's football season right now. 30:46.000 --> 31:07.000 So lately doing football plays, I can draft, the defensive line and offensive line and save that is like a default image and then quickly show the plays, kind of how it's moving back and forth or how play just happened and quickly hit undo. 31:07.000 --> 31:09.000 And then we're back to basics again. 31:09.000 --> 31:18.000 So like, they're just insane ways that we get I think the community is going to see wing it, and I can't wait till they start sharing it back with us. 31:18.000 --> 31:21.000 Is there any applications that are coming for monarch? 31:22.000 --> 31:25.000 So there are a few that that are coming. 31:25.000 --> 31:33.000 I can tell you one that I'm working on right now, that, the team is, it's a very popular word game. 31:33.000 --> 31:35.000 You might have heard of Wordle. 31:35.000 --> 31:36.000 Absolutely. 31:36.000 --> 31:38.000 Used to play all the time. Wordle. 31:38.000 --> 31:56.000 It's it's interesting when you're playing it on iOS versus when you're playing it on, like, the mod architect on display, that it's very much the same game, but it's it's done in a tactile way, right then in very much a tactile way. 31:56.000 --> 32:17.000 So, it's, it's just need to see that transition to, to see what we're talking about when we're talking about a Braille revolution or what do we mean when it's, it's effectively getting the same gaming experience as someone who would be getting this visually instead of how we've traditionally had to play 32:17.000 --> 32:22.000 Wordle is is with audio cues and something like that, and it's simply just a different game. 32:22.000 --> 32:23.000 It's just not as fun. 32:23.000 --> 32:28.000 And so this one, this one is one that, that that's in the pipes, that I can talk about. 32:28.000 --> 32:31.000 I can give you this one, 200, boy. 32:31.000 --> 32:37.000 A bonus I would be a mess if it if it escaped me, if, my developers would be very upset. 32:37.000 --> 32:40.000 I can't say that. We're working diligently. 32:40.000 --> 32:48.000 The team is on an update to moderate chess, where there's going to be a companion app that goes through iOS. 32:48.000 --> 32:58.000 So anyone that wants to play with someone on the mark can simply connect similarly, to how when it connects that they can just connect and play chess. 32:59.000 --> 33:15.000 And so if you're playing with a person who is, who's vision dependent, then it might be a situation where they get the iOS app and the person, might want to use their monarch to play on that side of it. 33:15.000 --> 33:23.000 But also with this, we've included the, the ability to connect to, delicious APIs. 33:23.000 --> 33:31.000 So meaning chess can go online now and wow, by, by connecting to this API, it's a couple of different things. 33:31.000 --> 33:32.000 We're doing. 33:32.000 --> 33:42.000 It's not only can you play chess online and that's pretty neat, but it there's this thing a trend in chess right now called smart chess board. 33:42.000 --> 33:45.000 So they're great for individuals with low vision. 33:45.000 --> 33:48.000 They light up with LED, movements. 33:48.000 --> 33:52.000 So you can pick up a piece and it can tell you your possible options to move. 33:53.000 --> 34:03.000 But, with, with these chess boards, now, a physical chess board can pick it up, I can move and it will show the monarch, and a person on the monarch can move theirs. 34:03.000 --> 34:07.000 And it would show me on the smart chess board, actually, where you've moved. 34:07.000 --> 34:11.000 So it's playing both physical and digital chess at the same time. 34:11.000 --> 34:12.000 It's pretty neat. 34:12.000 --> 34:17.000 So, more more of that, to come at towards the end of the year. 34:17.000 --> 34:18.000 Okay. 34:18.000 --> 34:23.000 But, the chess update is a really big add on, that's coming in. 34:23.000 --> 34:30.000 I just love the development for monarch is not just internal to the classroom. 34:30.000 --> 34:32.000 Right. We're seeing it in other fields. 34:32.000 --> 34:36.000 We're seeing it know and, we're seeing it in social circles as well. 34:36.000 --> 34:42.000 I mean, who doesn't love a good game of chess or a good game of Wordle when that's going to be released? 34:42.000 --> 34:45.000 So I'm very, very excited for what's coming. 34:46.000 --> 34:52.000 And lastly, Jason, could you tell, teacher, is there anyone who may listen to this at a future point? 34:52.000 --> 34:56.000 If they make drawings on doing it, how can they share them? 34:56.000 --> 35:02.000 Back to you guys for just field testing or however it is it you're going to use them for later? 35:02.000 --> 35:07.000 There's plenty of mod art groups and you ask me this and I don't know the specific one. 35:07.000 --> 35:13.000 If you follow a web page, human wires, and like our Facebook groups, our Instagrams, definitely. 35:13.000 --> 35:15.000 There's always a ton of information. 35:15.000 --> 35:21.000 If you're following that, it's hashtag monarch, and anything related. 35:21.000 --> 35:25.000 So say if you have a, a winged image that you have drawn up and it's pretty cool. 35:25.000 --> 35:28.000 Hashtag monarch, hashtag wing. It. 35:28.000 --> 35:30.000 We'll always get the image to us. 35:30.000 --> 35:34.000 So any of those hashtags work when sharing those online. 35:34.000 --> 35:35.000 So absolutely. 35:35.000 --> 35:47.000 Just, often, I encourage people when sharing images like that, you know, it it may look like a basketball court to you, but it may not look like a basketball court to the rest of us. 35:47.000 --> 35:55.000 So if you could, you know, always before sharing something at, awesome image of a basketball court. 35:55.000 --> 35:57.000 Madam Wingate, you know, I like that. 35:57.000 --> 36:03.000 That helps, to also be positive about text, but, sometimes our drawings aren't the Picasso's. 36:03.000 --> 36:04.000 We think they are. 36:04.000 --> 36:06.000 That's why I'll text to the rescue. 36:06.000 --> 36:16.000 And, you know, for for screen reader users as well, if they wanted to pull up an image maybe into their it's and show it on their monarch just to see what someone else has drawn. 36:17.000 --> 36:18.000 Absolutely. 36:18.000 --> 36:20.000 Well, Jason, thank you so much for coming on. 36:20.000 --> 36:35.000 It has been such a blast to talk with you about winging it and some of the other great plans that you have for monarch, and we just really appreciate all your hard work and everything that you do to move this revolution forward, because you're part of it. 36:35.000 --> 36:38.000 Thanks for having me on. It's great to be a part of it. 36:40.000 --> 36:46.000 Hey everybody, and welcome to the holiday recommendation segment. 36:46.000 --> 36:47.000 That's right. 36:47.000 --> 36:50.000 It is December and the holidays are here. 36:50.000 --> 37:04.000 So we are foregoing our Normal Trials and Triumphs segment to give you guys some recommendations on what we find would be great holiday gifts for all of those amazing people in your life. 37:04.000 --> 37:07.000 And we're going to come up with a few options here. 37:07.000 --> 37:14.000 Some are human wear products, and some are just neat accessories that we find go well with our products. 37:14.000 --> 37:21.000 So let's throw it over to David now, because this was David's wonderful idea and I love it. 37:21.000 --> 37:26.000 So David, start us off what you got with your holiday recommendations. 37:26.000 --> 37:26.000 All right. 37:26.000 --> 37:32.000 Well, I'm going to start off with well, it's actually technically a it's a common way product, but it's actually a bigger company's product. 37:32.000 --> 37:37.000 So I just thought I probably should mention one of my favorite things that which of course the Ray-Ban glasses. 37:37.000 --> 37:44.000 Now I know we've got new ones out and everything else, but considering what's going to happen with smart glasses, you know, next year in particular, 37:44.000 --> 37:46.000 I'd say jump on the bandwagon. 37:46.000 --> 37:54.000 And I know in Australian dollars, which people normally say it's probably millions of dollars in Australian dollars compared to the US, probably about $500 Australian. 37:54.000 --> 37:56.000 To get a pair of Ray-Bans. 37:56.000 --> 38:00.000 They work beautifully with your iPhone and your Android device, so I absolutely love it. 38:00.000 --> 38:02.000 So that's fine. 38:02.000 --> 38:08.000 Now, the issue that I found is when you try and connect these things to your Bluetooth things, whether it's a book to read, a stream, and so on. 38:08.000 --> 38:17.000 Sometimes the device gets a bit annoyed between you trying to use it as a Bluetooth headset versus using it as a smart pair of glasses. 38:17.000 --> 38:25.000 So the little speaker that I also want to recommend is the JBL, 4G, and I think pretty sure it's 4G. 38:25.000 --> 38:38.000 But it's a tiny little square speaker and it pumps out really good sound, works beautifully with things like the manas q30 because as we all know, that there's no built in speech in the this K40. 38:38.000 --> 38:40.000 So these little speakers are cool. 38:40.000 --> 38:47.000 And because I bought one, I then thought, well, I must have to buy two because then you can actually dual them together to create a stereo pair. 38:48.000 --> 38:56.000 And of course you can keep adding a third one and a fourth one, not how many you can actually do it, but Australian dollar wise, I think mine was, 38:56.000 --> 39:03.000 I want to say about $110 on some of them, but really, really good speakers, very, very cute. 39:04.000 --> 39:08.000 They just nice solid, you know, pretty fairly waterproof ish speakers. 39:09.000 --> 39:13.000 And the third one, of course, is my final recommendation, which is a human wear product. 39:13.000 --> 39:16.000 And that is the device that I've had personally since it first came out. 39:17.000 --> 39:19.000 Feels like a long time ago now, which is a big to read. 39:19.000 --> 39:21.000 A stream three third generation. 39:21.000 --> 39:35.000 I've still got my one and two sitting on my table here as well, and that's really great if you want to sort of dependently go away from your smartphone so you don't have to waste your batteries on aircraft or, on the train or anything else. 39:35.000 --> 39:44.000 You can just use your Victorian stream to listen to documents, to online radio stations, either cricket coming up in Australia for the summer season. 39:45.000 --> 39:50.000 And of course, you can, you know, take notes and you can do sorts of other really, really cool things. 39:50.000 --> 39:53.000 So that's probably my one of my three favorite things. 39:53.000 --> 40:01.000 So that's the Ray-Ban glasses, the JBL 4G portable speaker and of course the Victoria Australian three. 40:01.000 --> 40:14.000 I would have to agree that the Ray-Ban medic glasses are fantastic, and I think it's absolutely awesome that you recommend one of their JBL speakers, because that's one of the products 40:14.000 --> 40:16.000 I was going to recommend and we had no planning. 40:16.000 --> 40:22.000 You guys, we we just love good tech. 40:22.000 --> 40:31.000 So one of the JBL speakers I was going to recommend was the JBL go, which David, it might actually be the same one that you were just talking to someone. 40:31.000 --> 40:34.000 So I was thinking of J, as in, yeah, now you can go. 40:34.000 --> 40:37.000 I just go. 40:37.000 --> 40:39.000 That's a pro contraction by the way. 40:39.000 --> 40:42.000 Yeah, that is so cool. 40:42.000 --> 40:45.000 So the JBL we have tons of those around the house. 40:45.000 --> 41:05.000 And my husband reminded me he's like, hey these are great because they have of course, the signature sound that when you power them on, you know, they're on, you know, they're off to, you know, when they're paired there and the, the play and the pause and the bass for all of the buttons have their own unique. 41:05.000 --> 41:11.000 Well, not really unique because other speakers have them too, but their own designs, like the play pause, is triangular. 41:11.000 --> 41:15.000 The volume down is the minus sign and the volume up this plus sign. 41:15.000 --> 41:18.000 And they didn't do that just for people disabilities. 41:18.000 --> 41:20.000 That's just always been their signature. 41:20.000 --> 41:21.000 And it really has worked out. 41:21.000 --> 41:24.000 I guess that's what we call a universal design. 41:24.000 --> 41:24.000 It is. 41:24.000 --> 41:44.000 Can I admit to the fact that I've got the huge JBL 310 speakers and I've got two of them and they're really for parties, but you can't win them up too much outside because when they when they're up for full volume, they're really, really, really loud and they're sort of, you know, in US measurements, they probably stand about three feet high or something. So they're huge. They're on wheels. 41:44.000 --> 41:47.000 I was just going to ask, are those like the suitcases on wheels? 41:47.000 --> 41:50.000 Yeah, those are incredible. 41:50.000 --> 41:50.000 Yeah. 41:50.000 --> 41:56.000 We have the JBL 120 I think it's a party box and it's it's quite large as well. 41:56.000 --> 41:58.000 I've got two of them as well because you just can't buy one. 41:58.000 --> 41:59.000 You've got to. 41:59.000 --> 42:00.000 Absolutely. 42:00.000 --> 42:02.000 The old adage two is one, one is none. That's the one. 42:04.000 --> 42:06.000 Now what was your other favorite gadget that you were talking about? 42:06.000 --> 42:07.000 Which is also one of my favorite ones. 42:07.000 --> 42:11.000 One of my favorite products is the Brilliant by 20. 42:11.000 --> 42:13.000 It's so portable. 42:13.000 --> 42:15.000 The keyboard is great to type on. 42:15.000 --> 42:17.000 The Braille is crisp. 42:17.000 --> 42:19.000 You can throw it in a bag. 42:19.000 --> 42:39.000 Of course, if you have a larger pocket of some kind, a jacket or sweater, or some cargo pants, you can throw it in there and then you have Braille anywhere you are, download your books, you can connect to your phone, and I think it's just great for being on the go and yet still having Braille. 42:39.000 --> 42:43.000 So I think those would be my my top two, the JBL, any JBL. 42:43.000 --> 42:46.000 Let's just not so 42:46.000 --> 42:48.000 J because you go for it. Yeah yeah. 42:48.000 --> 42:53.000 And for all our products that support Bluetooth the JBL is were great with them. 42:53.000 --> 42:57.000 And then the really by 20 would be one of my favorite products that I'd like to recommend. 42:58.000 --> 42:58.000 That's right. 42:58.000 --> 43:22.000 And where the where it comes really handy is if you have got some barer files on your victory stream, which has an SD card in it, you can take that SD card out and watch it in the back of your B20 x because it has an SD card slot and offioe, so it's very transportable because that's what I love about the mantis in the B 20 of course is the SD card slot, that you can transfer stuff to and from between stuff. 43:22.000 --> 43:24.000 So yeah, it's it's a great device. 43:24.000 --> 43:32.000 In fact, I've had about Oh jeez, that five requests in one week for them because when people touch them in the field, like, 43:32.000 --> 43:36.000 I didn't realize it was so tiny and cool and it just feels great. 43:36.000 --> 43:41.000 And like I said, the brass crisps are, you know, it's it's definitely one of my favorites. Manjoo. 43:41.000 --> 43:43.000 Everybody. He's me on any podcast I do. 43:43.000 --> 43:47.000 I always say this device is my favorite followed by the next one, which is also my favorite. 43:47.000 --> 43:50.000 So I think I just click Favorite Devices. 43:50.000 --> 43:51.000 That's okay. 43:51.000 --> 43:56.000 That just means they all work well together and you just really enjoy using them. 43:56.000 --> 43:57.000 So there you go. 43:57.000 --> 43:59.000 Friends get Bluetooth speakers. 43:59.000 --> 44:02.000 That way you can listen to your books on your Victor stream with your brand new 44:02.000 --> 44:07.000 Bluetooth speaker, or you can read books in Braille with your brilliant bit 20 x. 44:07.000 --> 44:13.000 So that is some of our most favored holiday recommendations. 44:13.000 --> 44:21.000 I hope that as you're listening to this, that you enjoy whatever gifts you get to give to others and receive this year. 44:21.000 --> 44:25.000 And I just hope everybody has a great holiday season. 44:25.000 --> 44:26.000 Excellent. 44:26.000 --> 44:35.000 And if I was listening that device that's under the Christmas tree, I promise it didn't cost that much by all. 44:35.000 --> 44:38.000 Hey everybody, and welcome to the Tips and Tricks segment. 44:38.000 --> 44:47.000 In this segment, I'm going to demonstrate the terminal clipboard feature that's found on the brilliant by 20 x by 40 X and the mantis Q 40. 44:47.000 --> 44:59.000 What this feature allows you to do is to copy up to 360 characters of text from the brilliant to a connected device that can be either a windows computer or an iOS device. 44:59.000 --> 45:07.000 Currently, Jaws for windows and iOS are the two supported screen readers for this feature, so you can copy text from various places. 45:07.000 --> 45:09.000 You can copy it from the vector reader. 45:09.000 --> 45:19.000 If you're reading a book and want to copy a small portion of text to another device, or you can do it from the editor and that being text that you've written. 45:19.000 --> 45:28.000 So I'm going to do it from the editor, and I'm going to copy a small grocery list that I've written from the brilliant to my phone editor keypad. 45:28.000 --> 45:29.000 So I'm on the editor now. 45:29.000 --> 45:32.000 I'm going to press enter Create file. 45:32.000 --> 45:34.000 I'm going to press enter on create file. 45:35.000 --> 45:37.000 And now I'm in a blank document. 45:37.000 --> 45:40.000 So I'm going to write a small grocery list. 45:41.000 --> 45:43.000 Grocery list. 45:43.000 --> 45:51.000 We'll do eggs eggs milk milk bread bread and some salad mix. 45:51.000 --> 45:53.000 Salad mix. 45:53.000 --> 45:58.000 So there is my small grocery list that I want to now copy to another device. 45:59.000 --> 46:05.000 So if you're copying something from a book or other content source, you can write your cursor where you want to start selecting. 46:05.000 --> 46:13.000 Press enter with S to start your selection, navigate to where you want to end your selection and press enter with S again to end the selection. 46:13.000 --> 46:21.000 Because I want to copy everything in the document that I just wrote, I'm going to press enter with dots one, two, three, 4 or 5 six or a full cell. 46:23.000 --> 46:31.000 Now the speech didn't report it, but I do feel dots seven and eight underneath my text, which means the text is highlighted and ready to be copied. 46:31.000 --> 46:35.000 So I'm going to copy it with backspace and y copied. 46:35.000 --> 46:41.000 Now my text is copied and I'm ready to connect to my iOS device, in this case to paste the text. 46:41.000 --> 46:48.000 You can connect to later iOS devices through USB, but I'm going to connect through Bluetooth. 46:48.000 --> 46:54.000 So I'm going to press the home key to go to my terminal terminal and press enter USB connection. 46:54.000 --> 46:55.000 That's the first device. 46:55.000 --> 47:00.000 I don't have anything connected over USB, so I'm going to go down by pressing the outer right thumb key. 47:00.000 --> 47:02.000 Rachel's iPhone. 47:02.000 --> 47:04.000 There's my iPhone and I'm going to press enter. 47:04.000 --> 47:12.000 Now the brilliant says Braille display, which lets me know that I am now successfully connected to my iOS device. 47:12.000 --> 47:13.000 Maybe I'm not ready. 47:14.000 --> 47:19.000 So now you hear that it is connected to my iPhone and I'm going to launch the notes app. 47:20.000 --> 47:23.000 To do this, I'm going to use the new 47:23.000 --> 47:26.000 Braille access feature in iOS 26. 47:26.000 --> 47:27.000 If you're curious about that feature. 47:27.000 --> 47:30.000 There are many excellent podcasts out there on Apple. 47:30.000 --> 47:41.000 This through the NFB and other guides that are available, so I recommend checking those out at your convenience and exploring all that Braille access has to offer. 47:41.000 --> 47:45.000 So to activate Braille access, I'm going to press start seven and eight relaxation. 47:46.000 --> 47:49.000 And I'm going to go to the launch app option. 47:49.000 --> 47:53.000 Now once I get there my cursor is present which means I can type. 47:53.000 --> 47:58.000 So I'm going to type in notes and press enter. 47:58.000 --> 48:01.000 Relax I got those folders back button. 48:02.000 --> 48:03.000 So I'm in my notes app. 48:03.000 --> 48:06.000 You can tell I'm at the top because the back button is present. 48:06.000 --> 48:18.000 I'm going to go all the way to the bottom by pressing space with dots 4 or 5 and six to get to the new note button toolbar, new note button, and I'm going to press a cursor writer key to enter this. 48:18.000 --> 48:22.000 Do note although the text field the only that started. 48:22.000 --> 48:28.000 So I'm now ready to paste the content from the brilliant into this new note on my iOS device. 48:28.000 --> 48:36.000 What I need to do first, though, is enter a pass through command so that the paste command from the brilliant is interpreted correctly by iOS. 48:37.000 --> 48:41.000 To do that, I'm going to press space enter and that's four five, six. 48:42.000 --> 48:43.000 Enter local command. 48:43.000 --> 48:53.000 It's at enter local command, which means I can do things on the brilliant like now check the battery status, enter with the letter P, or check the time on the brilliant. 48:53.000 --> 49:01.000 But I want to enter in the paste command, which is backspace and the letter V mixed. 49:01.000 --> 49:03.000 So VoiceOver read those items very quickly but don't have it. 49:03.000 --> 49:06.000 Read the full note now so you can hear the grocery list. 49:06.000 --> 49:09.000 No text field is entering grocery list. 49:09.000 --> 49:17.000 Call the next note read delegates, eggs, bread, milk, and salad mix so all the items are there thanks to Terminal Clipboard. 49:17.000 --> 49:26.000 As a quick recap, you'll select and copy up to 360 characters of text that you want to go from your brilliant to a connected device. 49:26.000 --> 49:31.000 You then copy that text and paste it when connected to the iOS device. 49:32.000 --> 49:44.000 Before you can paste it, you enter the local command or the pass through command by pressing enter with space and dots 4 or 5 six on the brilliant and function and F3 on the mantis. 49:44.000 --> 49:51.000 After you enter the local command, you press the paste command and your text is then copied to the iOS device. 49:51.000 --> 49:58.000 If you have other tips and tricks that you'd like to see us demonstrate on the podcast, please feel free to reach out to podcast at Human Wellcome. 49:58.000 --> 49:59.000 As always, we'd love to hear from you. 50:02.000 --> 50:05.000 Hey everybody, it's time for the upcoming shows segment. 50:06.000 --> 50:09.000 Oh hey, wait a second, it's December. 50:10.000 --> 50:20.000 So the upcoming shows will be on hold for the holidays, but you'll be able to find any upcoming appearances in our podcast episodes that will start in January. 50:21.000 --> 50:25.000 So we hope you and your family and friends have an excellent time off. 50:26.000 --> 50:33.000 Enjoy some great food and some holiday fun and we will see you in January! 50:33.000 --> 50:37.000 From all of us at human, where we wish you a happy, healthy and safe holiday season.