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Today's unmute presents community call was hosted on Tuesday, August 27, 2024.
Hello everyone, and welcome back to Unmute. I a couple announcements here at the top. We wanted to remind everyone that we're going to take all first questions and if we have time, we'll take second questions. So when you get called on, please remember to answer the question of the day and then one question, and then if we have time, we'll come back around and try and take second questions. Also, please be respectful. Let everyone get their questions answered in the same way you would want your question answered. And remember, there's no dumb questions. If it feels important to you to ask, then ask away. The question of the day today is. There has been an official announcement from Apple that on September 9, Monday morning at 10:00 a.m. there's going to be keynote with a bunch of new announcements phones, and we'll see what else there's going to be coming out. But the question is, what would you like to see in a new phone or the new operating system that's coming out? What is it that you would like to see? What would you like to see? You know, that maybe could better accessibility chime in and let us know what your thoughts are. And as always, we got Michael D with us. How you doing, Michael? Doing great, Marty. Thanks for having me again. And yes, the event's called it's glow time from what I've seen online, and different webpages are even changing their logos to look like the invitation. So it's very exciting. It's the time everybody waits for during the year. I'm kind of hoping for a bit of a new design on the new phones. I don't know if we're going see that this year, but I'm hoping that we see some really neat changes coming to the iPhone. Of course, we're going to see AI and camera improvements as we always do, but it's all going to be very exciting. I wanted to mention that we have not done an IAcast recently, but we're going to do one this weekend. We've published a roadmap for iaccessibility. So if you have not been over to the iAccessibility website, we have an app directory, a blog that is being used, and we have all kinds of new resources coming online. So check back there and it's very exciting stuff and I'll hand it back to you, Marty. All right, thanks. And as always, we have Michael Babcock with us. How you doing, Michael?
Hey, I'm doing great. I don't really have any wishes for the iPhone. I would like to see the Apple Watch be a little bit more snappy. Now I am on a apple watch se two and I've considered getting the Apple Watch Ultra this year. Never had one. My wife has the ultra one and she loves the battery power on it. So that, that might be why I might be interested. I get maybe a day, yeah, maybe about 24 hours out of my watch right now. So would like something a little bit more in battery power. If you haven't yet, visit joinbits.org office. That's joinbits.org office. If you're interested in joining the other 238 students that will be participating in learning to navigate your Windows computer, especially Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook, a class provided for no additional charge to bits members. Super excited for that. Yesterday we published an episode called Evan Unmuted and if we have time today, maybe Marty will go a little bit more into that relationship with aftersight. But one of the announcements we made is that we will be available on the aftersite radio reading service out of Colorado. And that has now happened. So if you are an aftersite subscriber, you'll definitely want to check that out. And or if you've never heard of aftersight, like I've learned a few people have not, head on over to aftersight.org to check that out on Sunday. Digital Bytes was very short, about seven minutes long I think is what it came out to be. Chris showed us a couple of cool things you can do with the notes application on iOS. Marty showed you how to actually search for apps in the app store. Kind of important to know where that search button is. And then I showed you the single ear headset by Bluetooth Tiger, which was actually designed for truckers, so you can check that out. Quick side note, if you check me out on mastodon payone@unmute.com munity, you can hear a mic sample of that specific microphone headset. On Friday. I showed you in our Friday jaws tips a tip for how to adjust speech rate on the fly. And if you have any questions about Jaws, please raise your hand. We'll be happy to answer those questions as well. And maybe it'll make it into a Jaws tip. Two. On Thursday, Marty and Liz introduced a new show that I'm super excited about because we don't give it enough love and that is Android unmuted. And this was a preview episode letting you know about what's going on and I'm gonna give those of us who are live and or listening to the replay a quick hint. Marty and Liz have almost totally opposite phones, so I'm sort of excited to hear how this experience is going to turn out. And then of course, there was a community replay for the 2021 20 August Sheila, do we have any hands?
You do. JC.
Hey JC.
Hey.
Wow. Gosh. Like I said, I do love you guys and I love the content. I frequently listen to you guys. I want to answer the question of the day, and I do have one question in general, but let me answer my question first. So, as with last year, not interested in the iPhone since I already have one. But what I want to see is bugs be gone. I'm tired of the stinking bugs. Urgh.
Yes, yes.
Don't we all? We do not like the bugs. But as they say, you know, good things. It's not the end of the world. So if there's any bug reports out there when iOS comes out, please be sure to send those to accessibility@apple.com. dot just a general teaser there and I know Michael D. Will probably answer this. I as I said before doing the pre show, I will be expected to get myself the meta glasses. Hopefully tomorrow during the week. Me and Cecilia, who you met last week briefly, it's gonna, is going to take me to the store to pick them up or actually check them out first and then pick them up. Whatever styles. Do you have any final, final tips before I make a purchase on the glasses? Thank you.
So my suggestion is go somewhere where you can look at the biggest selection of them so you can make a decision on which ones you like. All of them do the same thing, I believe, like sunglass hut, lenscrafters, best buy all our options for finding them. But I would recommend, you know, make sure you have the meta Vue app installed and I download it and sign in with a Facebook or meta account and then just look at the tutorials like, and figure out what, you know, what things you want to do with them. And that's going to be the most important thing when you're using these glasses.
I don't have Facebook, sadly, anymore. Used to have it, but I don't have Facebook, so the only thing I have is email. So will that count?
You'll need to have a meta account, so it has to be Facebook, WhatsApp, meta, Instagram, you only. You could even create a new meta account that does, that is not connected to any of those services.
Oh yeah, that's what I was at. That's what I was getting at because I don't have Facebook nor any, but I can't create using an email, so I guess I'll use my email to create the meta.
You should be able to use your email. Yeah.
Okay. I just wanted to verify that because I did check them out. We do have a lens crafters 20 minutes away and then one that's closer to my area is of course we have sunglasses, but we also have another place called sterling optical, and they're expected to have their units this week, actually. So they should have new units and stocks. So.
Well, perfect. Good luck, JC, and let us know what you think once you actually have them. Sheila.
I definitely will. Stephanie.
Hey, Stephanie.
Yes. What I'd like to see happen, I'd like to see like the jaws when for windows keystroke. I'd like to see that on the phone.
You'd like to see jaws on the iPhone?
Yes.
Gotcha. Well, I don't anticipate that happening anytime soon, but that would be a interesting adventure, especially if there's an alternative screen reader on the iPhone. Thanks a lot, Stephanie. Appreciate it.
Belle.
Do we have somebody in clubhouse? We have Jane.
Hey, Jane.
Hello. Yeah, I will also be getting meta glasses. I don't know when. Probably we wait till Black Friday. We'll have to see on that one. But for the office course. Well, actually I want to figure out.
How to turn off the new outlook, please.
I mean, I have 365. I don't need a new.
Yep. Outlook good, Michael.
New outlook installed. But you still should be able to go to Outlook classic. It should say something like Outlook classic when you open it.
Yep. So if you do a search, so when I do a search right now for Outlook, in my start menu, I have Outlook new, and then I have Outlook classic. So if you don't have Outlook classic, I would go reinstall office 365. If you haven't installed office 365, that's why you don't have it there. So you have to install Outlook 365 or office 365.
Okay. Because is there a difference between the new one and the.
Yes.
Classic one?
Yes.
Oh, there is.
Yes. The classic is the outlook you're probably already used to. That's been around for years now. That allows you to use like the control y keystroke to get to the list of mailboxes. It allows you to navigate easily through your messages, and it also allows you to navigate the calendar. Just saying. The Outlook new is the new web based outlook that will be replacing Windows mail, I believe, January 1, I believe, of 2025. So Outlook classic is the one you want. If you're looking for the better experience.
How do I reinstall? I already have office 365. How do I reins.
So when you do us. When you do start menu and you type in outlook, it. It only gives you outlook new even if you down arrow through your search results.
I didn't know that I had two.
Yep. Yep, you have two. If you have office installed then you have two outlooks. So give that a try. If for some reason it doesn't show up that I would reach out to disability answer desk and ask them how to get just Outlook reinstalled. But I'm pretty sure it's if you have office 365 installed then you have the Outlook classic and that's what you're looking for is the keyword classic. Outlook classic.
Okay, perfect.
Jane, let us know if you have any other questions. Bell is Jane the only question in.
Clubhouse currently at this moment?
Perfect. Who do we got next? Sheila.
Pam.
Hey, Pam.
Pam, hello. Good afternoon. To answer the question of the day, I'm with JC. Let's just not have any bugs, major bugs in the system. Get Siri straightened out. For those who use Siri a lot. I'm not one of those. I use her only as a last resort. But what I would love to see, and I don't think I'm alone in this, I much prefer touch id over face facial recognition and I just hate to see touch id going away.
Ah, yeah, yeah, I get that. I, I am the opposite. I prefer Face ID, but I understand the importance of Touch ID and I feel like that's an under, an undervalued feature of iOS and would like to see Apple put Touch Id in the lock button like they've done on some of the iPads.
Gotcha. So that's my story. I am sticking to it.
Awesome. Who do we got next?
Thank you, Deborah. Deborah Jackson.
Hey, Debra.
Hello.
There you are.
Yes. With the question of the day is, and it's the same question that I'm asking, so it came right on time. You know how you have your notes and you got so many notes and some old notes. It'd be nice if they can have the notes. Like how bothered floor. You can look through all your, you know, your title, you know, because I sometimes have put two notes in and really didn't realize, you know, that. So I just wish they can, you know, have, you know, instead of like this in the folder or when you last use it, that they can have the notes in there and then you can go through and delete or whatever.
So if I'm understanding your question, Deborah, you want to see all of your notes at once so you can quickly delete the ones you don't want.
Yeah, that's how father floor has your title.
Uh huh. So if you tap the back, if you go to notes and you tap the back button at the top left corner, I have.
It would be under all iCloud. And then it shows you everything.
Yep. You can go to all icloud and see all of your notes.
Oh, yeah.
Yep. So get that.
That's if you store notes in icloud.
Correct.
You can store notes in Gmail and other places too. So just, I feel like there should be an all notes button, but I'm not sure if that exists.
I did not see one for all accounts, just all icloud or all Google. So check to see if you have like an all icloud notes options, Deborah, and that might help you out. And then that should give you a list of all the notes on your phone. But making that process easier sure would be nice. For sure.
And even with the quick note, too.
I don't use quick notes, Michael, do you know that?
I do not use quick notes much either. They should show up in your notes list, but I'm not sure. So when you hit that back button, it shows all the folders that are available on your, on your notes app. So that's how I would check that.
And the other part is with theory. I think we all going to have to be a cigarette smoker because then you have to like, inhaletain I before Siri finally say, like they ready. And then you can say, call whoever. Cause then if you just say, you say, you know, you go too fast and then it didn't get the call, it come up with, you know, the app for you to, you know, manually put call or message or whatever. So we gotta go into smoking cigarettes so that we can wait on Siri.
We do not recommend cigarette smoking at unmute, but I get what you're saying. Take a deep breath before you give your comments to Siri. So thank you, Deborah, and have a beautiful day. Sheila, who do we got next there?
Janet?
Hey, Janet.
Hello. I was going to make a hush. I was going to make a comment about the meta glasses. I did find out that if you're going to give another pair of meta glasses to someone, you need to factory reset them. Otherwise they won't let you install your, your, your meta stuff.
Your credentials is what you're looking at.
Yeah, your credentials. Thank you. And I also figured out, sort of figured out that if you're listening to something on your meta glasses, you can say, hey, meta, turn the volume down.
Yep, yep.
I find, actually, Janet brings up a good point. Whenever you give something away or return it, make sure you clear all your data off whatever device you're getting rid of and letting out of your own possession. That's really important to remember. Make sure you clear off all your data so it doesn't get out there in the wrong hands, even before you.
Get rid of, like, a loved one. I still recommend clearing all your data because you never know what could get mixed up or anything like that. So appreciate the reminder.
And, and the other, the other thing is, I have them in my case, and when I go to my meta view app, it says not connected because.
They'Re not connected because they're not in their case.
They are basically off and charging. So you can take them out of the case quickly, put them back in, and they will stay connected for a little bit. Or I think you can even press the button on the case that sometimes works. But yes, they only show up once.
You pull them out of the case.
Take them out.
Yep, yep.
Okay. My other question is how? Well, if it's in the case and it says not connected, how will it know to get the firmware update?
So go ahead.
That's why taking them out occasionally does help, just to let them, you know, power on and that kind of thing. And I think sometimes they may, if you have the Wi Fi connected to, you could change the Wi Fi settings in the Metaview app. And I think that that sometimes helps them reconnect and check for updates periodically. I think that's how that works, but I'm not sure.
And I also believe that if they are in the, and I can't guarantee this, but I'm 95% sure that if they are in the case and you do a firmware update, that the glasses will come on and connect, but most of the time they are not connected to the case. So you, as the end user, there's a way to auto update the glasses. I personally don't do that because I want to know when my glasses are updating, but there, there is that option. And also, Janet, I don't know if you knew this. I find tell, I find that telling meta to turn the volume up and volume down takes too long because I'm a very impatient person if people didn't know that. So if you swipe your finger forward on the right arm, it will turn the volume up or swipe your finger backwards. It will turn the volume down.
And the question to your, to your daily question is I'd like to see some bugs be taken out of iOS. So you have a great.
Thanks a lot, Janet. You too. Appreciate that. And Sheila, who is next?
Gregory.
Hey Gregory.
Hey guys with the phone. I'd like to see him. Of course. Put AI in as quickly as possible and like to see him put Lidar in more of the, of the, of.
The models, you know, for other uses.
I do know they're going to put the action button in all the models the heard. So that's good.
That would be good. I want an action button.
That's what I heard. All of them.
Yeah.
I got a question about SD cards.
Okay.
I'm trying to put one in my laptop, Windows eleven, and I'm trying to copy files to stick on my vector reader and it's not, when I put the SD card in my slot on my PC, it's not, it's not showing that it's in there.
You might need to have to reformat it first before you can start using it. Usually if you buy a new one, you want to format it for whichever computer you're going to be on so it's fresh and formatted for whichever system you're using it on, then it should work.
But if it's not showing in file Explorer, for you to be able to even do that. Where I would start with that, Gregory, is have you put it into the victor and formatted it on the victor or does the victor recognize it when you put it into the victor just with no content?
No. So there's probably, there is a option to format those, correct?
Correct. Yeah. You can go into the settings and format the SD card when it's in the victor and that'll format it properly.
So real quick when I'm on a file, I want to copy it. I can press the applications keyword and.
Arrow down and it'll show that card. Right?
Like the send to option. And then it'll show that card.
I think it does what I do myself. And if you're not in the office course, highly recommend joining the office course at join bits.org office.
I'm there.
What I, what I do, what I personally do is I'll copy the file to my key clipboard with control c and then I'll open the SD card and just control v on it.
Wow, I didn't think of that. That's so easy.
Yep. That's, that's how I do it. Because then I don't have to tap down arrow all the way to send to. And that menu just seems to get longer and longer. So hopefully that helps you though there, Gregory, and thanks a lot.
Well, it did. Thank you, guys.
Very good.
All right. Have a good one, Greg, Sheila, who.
Do we, hey, Bill, Belle, we got somebody in clubhouse. We have two. We have Robert and then Diane.
Hey, Robert.
Hey, Robert, how you doing? Good morning, Michael. And I forgot your name. Can you hear me?
Yes, we can.
Yes, we can hear you. Yeah. Because, okay. If I answer to the first question, is the help, you know, the help. Voice over justice starts when we do the four finger double tap. But that is more general. If it is application specific, because some of the gestures will not be useful for some application. If they make it application specific, we can learn it by ourselves. And my second question is, is any change occurred in the voiceover justice? Because I always use the four finger double tab and the top of my phone to go to the top of the container. I will put the four finger single top in the bottom of the phone to go to the bottom of the container. But the bottom works. It becomes, they merge the two commands together. It becomes four finger single tap. It goes to the bottom left behind me. Right paran computer audio unmuted video so.
So, Robert, if I'm, if I'm understanding your question, I just want to make sure that I'm understanding it. You want to know? So is, is your forefinger tap at the top of the screen and then four finger tap at the bottom of the screen not working? Or are you asking if they change that?
It, both are doing the same thing. It become a single, single command. I tried with the help. It says four finger single tap. It doesn't say top of the phone or bottom of the phone, and it simply goes to the bottom of the container.
So that's interesting because I just tested it and it, it goes to the top for me.
When last week onwards, only last week onwards, I'm observing the same. It is, I habituated to some justice, you know, so I find it very difficult to accommodate to the new ways of doing it.
Yeah. I'm not sure because it's, it's working the same way it's always worked for me. If I tap at the top of the screen with four fingers, it takes me to the top. If I tap at the bottom of the screen with four fingers, it takes me to the bottom of the container. So maybe you're not high enough or maybe you're too high on the status bar. I would experiment a little bit with that because it should be working properly for you. Also go into voiceover and then go into your gestures and verify that that is set appropriately in your gestures and voiceover under settings. Accessibility.
Maybe I was playing with that for some time like that. I will check it whether I accidentally changed something like that.
Yeah.
Thank you.
No problem. Thanks for your comments, Robert. And then let's take Diane real quick. Hey, Diane.
Okay. Can you hear me?
Yes, we can.
We can hear you.
All right. Since I'm in clubhouse, I actually have a clubhouse question. I've been noticing changes in the operation over the last few days. In fact, I just noticed one now where it now says, todd selected toggle mute instead of selected unmute or selected mute, whatever it used to say. But the question I have when I'm in a room now, well, a few days ago, in order to move on into the room that I wanted to go to, there, there was a setting where I had to select. It, said it, select at least three activities, I believe was the wording.
Yep.
And so I had to do that before I could do anything else. And since I've done that, I will get messages every so often about people opening rooms related to what I selected. And the option is either to tap on their profile or. Or go to the room, or. I don't know, it's cancel. I don't think the word is cancel, but, you know, you can. You can stop it. So I'm kind of annoyed with these messages coming up all the time, and I'm wondering if there's anything in the clubhouse setting that I can turn it off.
So I did not select my options when it asked me to do that. I did a two finger scrub out of that screen. And, yes, I have to do that every time. Now, whenever I open clubhouse, I do a two finger scrub, and that will take me out of that specific screen. So I'm not encountering that. By chance, have you looked in the settings to find out if there's any options to disable those notifications? Because I have not looked in them.
I I had not looked yet. You know, it occurred to me since I was here, and you guys know a lot of stuff, you know, to ask you, but I look in the setting.
Yeah, that's where I would start. And then, unless you're using them, you remember you can always just turn off the notifications.
I don't know. They're, as I say, they're not coming through notifications. They're not like, push notifications.
They're just showing up in your clubhouse hallway is what they used to call. I don't know if they still do. No, I don't think you're going to be able to disable those.
Yeah, because I don't want to. I don't want to disable all of my clubhouse notifications. I will look, though. But I. You know, I don't want to. Because it's easier to get into rooms when you get notifications. Yeah, I want to keep them.
I'm not seeing a way to customize that here on my phone at all. So. Yeah, I get some weird, weird things in my hallway because I haven't selected preferences, so.
And the thing that's interesting to me is that I'm only seeing that on my phone. I didn't see it on club deck on my Mac. So.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, sorry, couldn't help you further, Diane, appreciate your comments, and I hope you have a great rest of your Tuesday.
Okay. Maybe. Maybe if enough. If enough people complain, maybe they'll fix it. All right. Thanks, Michael.
Thanks a lot, Sheila. Who do we got next?
Nolan.
Hey, Nolan.
Hey, guys. How are you guys doing on this fine. Tuesday?
Good.
Good, good. Thank you.
Good. Thank you.
So I want to answer the question.
Of the day, and I've got a.
Follow up question regarding the Metaview app. There's something I am a little concerned about that I may need to discuss with you in Michael Doy's, if possible. So the situation that I would like to see fixed.
Yes. Not only the bugs, but I also.
Definitely would love to see more developers going in and adding more accessibility features to their apps for iOS 18, because there's one in particular that's waiting like six months until now, then putting out updates, which is concerning the blind community.
And that is for the.
One of the apps that I used to use.
And. Yeah. And that's that. Regarding the Metaview app.
I went in and paired my. When I first got my glasses, the Ray ban meta smart glasses, the Wayfair model.
It concerns me that I've noticed that.
Some of the buttons within the app.
Last week were not clearly labeled.
And I spoke with somebody at Apple accessibility.
They've told me that parts of the.
App are not coded correctly.
Yep.
Is there a way that I can reach out to meta accessibility support? Because there is no way I can.
I looked on their website last week.
And there was not a contact phone number on that webpage.
So there's not. You do have to send a message. I believe they use Facebook to send their messages. Also, I believe on one of Cindy's more recent calls that she did demonstrating the glasses, she shared an eight five five number. I don't have that number handy. So what you may do, Nolan, is reach out to community cb.org and ask if they can provide you the toll free number to reach out to meta for feedback.
Okay, I can do that today.
Good. Michael.
Another so I have not seen, I went through much of the app when I was adding meta view to the app directory on iaccessibility. I didn't find any unlabeled buttons directly in the app, but I'm wondering if that's changed. However, if you are having trouble with the MetaView app, shake your phone with the app open and that will bring up a prompt if you want to leave feedback. And that is another avenue that you can send meta feedback regarding the Metaview app specifically. Okay. Yeah, because I've noticed in the application, for the first time when I went in and synced everything when I told it to link to my WhatsApp account and linked it to my phone's contacts, I've noticed that when I use screen recognition, voiceover tends to get stuck.
That's a screen recognition issue.
That's not a metaverse recognition. Yeah.
Yep.
Okay.
Do not use screen recognition on applications that are accessible or you will experience a very frustrating experience. Yeah, that explains a lot right there. So I don't feel that that is necess, needed to reach out to Meta on for that because their app is already accessible. But thank you, Nolan. Appreciate that.
You're welcome. Thanks, Nolan.
Who do we got next?
Umberto?
Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you.
I'm going to answer the question of the day. Thank you everybody for allowing me to speak on here again. Well, an iOS 18, I would like to see Siri be more or superior in some ways to Alexa. I would like to see her, for example, answering questions like Siri, what do you see in front of me? Or Siri, what is this package label? What does this say right here? Or Siri, can you read me this document? Or Siri, can you, you know, can you see if there's a car behind me or like in front of me so that my, my dad can pass through or not with, with his car or things like that? Or if maybe, you know, it will use AI improvements with the camera and AI improvements in real time video. And actually, I would also like to see videos be described through AI with voiceover. I would like to see, you know, with the camera app, with the photos app. I would like to see more AI in that regard. I'd like to see them support sd cards with the new iPhones. They would like to support USB thumb drives and USB external drives. Might like them to fix the box with accessibility or maybe even improve accessibility with AI if developers don't want to do it themselves. So that's kind of my, and I have a question for you guys. So with the Metaview app or the glasses, is there a way to like privacy more where you don't have to have it constantly listening when you, if you want to say hey meta. But instead of that just like push the button and it will wake up the microphones. Is that something that's possible with the glasses? Thank you.
I think you can disable hey meta in the metaview settings and then you would just tap and hold on the right arm, I think. Not certain on that.
Yes you can.
Thank you, Michael. So yes you can. The other option is you can always turn off your glasses as well by using the switch on the left hinge. So hopefully that helps you. Humberto, great suggestions for iOS and Siri becoming smarter. Sheila, who do we have next?
Lauren.
Lauren Burger.
Hey Lauren, how you doing?
You're still muted. Lauren, did you say Laurie or Lauren? No, I said Lauren.
Lauren.
Hi Lauren. Okay, Lauren. Hi, how you doing? So cool. Um, I have a, I have a couple questions. One of them is I signed up for the Microsoft course and excited the Microsoft office one. And I have, well it's, it's the only thing that I could really access efficiently is the new outlook or the outlook online, the one that I tried, the classic one, and I uninstall install and it keeps being, trying to get the free trial one because it keeps, because I have trouble paying online. So the only way at this point, I mean in the time being, I mean I use Alpha classic, it really isn't as functional and the only way I could do it is the new Outlook seems to be more flexible and the one online seems to, the other stuff I could do a little more easily, more productively. But that's what I'm having a difficult time with.
I'm not sure that I'm understanding your question. It sounds like you've got the new classic outlook or the new outlook to work better for you than the classic outlook. So is there a question there?
Yeah.
Well what I'm wondering is will, I mean will it be accepted, accepted, it's acceptable if I use that because the one, the one, the classic one seems to be always giving me a hard time. It's oh, it can't connect or gotcha.
Okay, so I do believe David's going to go over using the classic outlook with the course. So maybe when we get to the outlook section of the course, that could be something we could figure out how to help with. There will be office hours for the office course. So if for some reason your question can't get answered in class, then we can definitely work with you over rim or other solutions to be able to get everything working properly for you.
Okay, that's great and perfect. I use, I use Outlook online. Is that.
Yep. I mean, yep, that, that works too. I don't know that Outlook online is going to be covered. I believe he's only covering the classic outlook, but, but that should give you some good basic knowledge. So appreciate it, Lauren.
Okay, thank you.
Of course. And if you have another question, go ahead and raise your hand again. Sheila, who do we got next?
Thank you, Anisio.
Hello.
Hey, how are you guys?
Great.
Good, thank you. Great information. As usual. I agree with one of your previous callers. I hope that with the new iPhones and new iOS, Siri becomes the promise.
That it was there.
It was really at one time with the iPhone four? S, believe it or not, and they regress while everybody else got better and better. Anyway, my question has to do with Outlook too. I use Outlook classic.
I have a subscription to office 365.
And what I've noticed in some emails, when I click on a link, that is for registering for a Zoom meeting.
Or for a calendar meeting, whatever it.
Is, I click on that link in Outlook Classic and it opens the email back on the, on the new outlook and I have to then click on the link on that new outlook to bring, say the zoom meeting for example. And that that's not true with the community community events list. Interestingly enough, it happens with others and I wonder how can I get rid of that?
Just make sure that the new Outlook.
Is not even available.
So what I would try, and I don't know if this is going to work, but where I would try is I would go to the start menu with your windows key, type in outlook and it'll say Outlook new or Outlook but not classic. Press shift f ten and then try removing that application. If remove is not available there, then go into your windows settings with Windows key. I type in remove and then remove the new outlook and see if that solves the problem because I wonder if pressing enter on the link is actually activating something to possibly add it to your calendar. That seems a little strange. The other potential solution and I don't know if you do it this way. If you're just arrowing three through and then hitting enter on the link, try pressing jaws key or NVDA key and f seven to bring up a list of the links and then activating the link that way and see if it works better for you.
Then I'll try, I'll try one. I when I go to the start menu, that's how I bring, bring up. Look, initially I have to check this when I, when I start the word outlook, it brings me to outlook.
Classic.
I don't know if the new is.
Even listed on there.
I never try down arrowing from there and you should find the new outlook.
Okay.
But you can definitely get rid of it as you're saying.
Yep.
Okay.
Yep. If it's not in your start menu, then go to your, as I said, windows settings with Windows key I and then type in remove and that'll take you to add remove. Process us.
All right, great.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Laurie.
Hey Lori.
Hi guys, how you doing?
Good, good, thank you.
So in answer to the question of the day, I agree with everybody. I would like to see Siri behave herself and be more professional. I am tired of when I mention her name in a text message like I did earlier with somebody. I mentioned that she has trouble understanding me as well as voiceover and sometimes because they misunderstand me in dictation. And so with iOS 18 I hope that goes away as well as other bugs. And when iOS 17 came along I was petrified because the language screen came up and that has never ever happened, not even when my iPhone was brand new four years ago. So I'm hoping that they fix that regardless of iPhone model. And my question, my own personal question is I'm still having email issues. I called Apple accessibility the other day and they were not very helpful. The guy helped me on the phone. We were on the phone for 3 hours and I told him not to email me because I cannot reply back. And that's still my problem because when I try to reply and I, you know, I put my message in the message body, I dictate and then, you know, I follow all the steps that you do and I don't really care where my reply lands, I just want it to go to the person I'm sending it to. And when I tap on send, I get a message that says invalid email address, meaning mine. And there's nothing wrong with it because ACB community is able to send me my email schedule every day plus other announcements. So I'm able to get emails, but I'm still not able to reply back. And so, but the guy at Apple was not helpful at all. So when I told him, when you, hold on. When I, when I told him to nothing, email me, I told him to call me instead or text me. He emailed me a thing that requires me not to have an appointment when I go to the Apple store. So I don't know where to go next, but I'm at the end of my rope here.
Okay. So when it says invalid email, it means that you're not dictating into the message field, you're dictating into the to field. Because invalid email me that, that specific message means that the email address that is in the to field is not a valid email. It's not saying your email is invalid. So I, what I would, I would try, in that case, Laurie, is tap on the reply button. And then, because I, I've done this myself too, thinking that I'm in the, in the message edit field and it doesn't, it gives me that same error message because I accidentally dictated into the to field. So what I would do is tap the reply button, then find the message field. It'll say message edit and then double tap once. And voiceover should say focus move or insertion point move to end and then double tap again. And it will say insertion point move to beginning and that'll move your insertion point on the email to the beginning of the reply message, then dictate and then try to send it and see if that works better for you. Because again, I think focus with voiceover is getting put in the wrong edit field and that's why you're encountering that specific error message message.
All right, I'll try that the next time I do that. But in the meantime, you know, I ask people to either call me or text me because I'm having this problem. So, and they're very, they're very good about it. So. But as my, as for the quest, as for the question of the day, I'd like to see Siri improve big time.
Beautiful. Well, hopefully we can see some major improvements with Siri, both on newer and older iPhones. Lori, we appreciate your participation. Sheila, who do we got next?
Theresa.
Hey, Teresa.
Theresa, you're still muted. Okay. I was trying to get unmuted. I apologize. Well, I will answer your question. This is kind of a tall order. I know it won't happen because they, Apple doesn't make the iCAr touch any longer, but I would, I have one that has iOS 15, and I would like to see where it can work with the meta glasses. I was told I would have to have at least iOS 16. So will that happen with the iPod touch? I don't know.
Nope.
But like I said, it's a tall order.
Yeah, I can tell you, no, it will not happen with the ipod touch.
Yeah. Nope. But, Teresa, that's a. That's a good dream about the iPad.
What about the iPad? Would it work?
Michael, have you paired meta glasses with the iPad? I've never thought about doing that.
I've never tried that. Let me even see if you could download the meta View app on the.
Ipad, because if you can download the MetaView app, you should be able to pair it.
So, Michael, problem is that you would have to carry your iPad.
I don't have it with me.
Yeah, you'd have to carry the iPad with you, and your iPad would have to be a cellular iPad. So it would have to always.
Unless you're just using the meta view the meta frames around your house. And if you're just using them around your house, you could leave your iPad on your coffee table and use your meta frames. But I don't know. Let me see if Michael will look and follow back up with us. Teresa, thank you very much for your comments. And, Sheila, who do we got next?
Okay. Nora.
Hey, Nora and Nora.
Hello. Good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
I want to see it. My answer, the answer of a question is, I'd like to see Siri start understanding me. I do have a little speech impairment, and I'd like to have Siri improve big time.
I got some good news for you, actually, Nora. That's one of the improvements that's in the notes, is for people with different speech impairments to be better understood by Siri. So, hopefully, in iOS 18, that will be a reality. You?
Yeah, I hope so. And that's great. And also, my question is, I can't remember what my question is. I can't remember, but I guess I'm thinking of. We were 18. Oh, yeah. With some other classes, which I not planning to get. But I'm curious, if you're singing in the choir and you have severe visual impairment, you're not able to read the church hymnal books, and how can you tell how you're able to read magnification on it?
So they don't have magnification, unfortunately, and I was slowly saying that just because I was hoping Michael would correct me, but they do not have magnification, and unfortunately, you cannot, as of right now, reliably ask meta to read text to you. It does more summarization than actual reading.
It can read if you've prompted a certain way.
Okay.
It's not always reliable.
Yeah, that's why I threw that reliably word in there because, yeah, occasionally it'll do it right.
Thank you. Thanks, Adrian.
Hello, Adrian. What up, Michael? What, drizza? Chillin chilling. I'm just checking to see is the show, is the shell phone show going to continue? Yep, the shell phone show is going to continue. I know I supposed to get some content out last week that you actually produced and been having some website issues, but yes, shell phone show is continuing. Stay tuned on Wednesday, sir.
Okay. Okay, appreciate.
I was getting nervous a little bit. Real time.
All right, that'll work perfect.
Thanks, sir.
And I wanted to also report the Metaview app is an iPad app. I was pleasantly shocked. It is a full iPad app. It's not an iPhone app running on iPad. It is a full iPad app. So that is very exciting.
That is exciting.
Thanks, Michael.
Play with that and let us know what you think of it, Michael. Alrighty, Sheila, who is next? We've got.
You've got one hand and well, you were. We have lady a by us today.
Okay, sounds good.
JC.
Hey, JC.
All right. Hello. So I came to give the number. I know that Nolan has asked for the number, so if you call this number. Oh, Jason, I'm sorry. Unmute.
Sheila didn't want the number.
It's the accessibility number to matter. I wanted to give the accessibility number to meta.
It was. Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead, JC.
Goodness gracious. All right, so the accessibility number to meta is 8559-2237 and when you dial that number, hit option four, which will take you to the ray ban option.
Perfect.
Thank you very much.
Thank you so much, JC. And is that all of our hands, Sheila?
Yes, sir.
Well, beautiful. Appreciate everyone for joining us. I'll hand it over to Marty to wrap it up here in a second. Just want to give one more plug because I'm very passionate about it. Head on over to join bits.org office if you haven't yet. It's very important to get to know the basics of your Windows computer. And Marty, go ahead and wrap it up. And thank you, Michael D. And Sheila and Belle.
Yep. And thanks everyone for being here. As always, we appreciate you. So if you want to find out what's going on with everything in the unmute realm, then you can look at our website, which is unmute show. If you have questions, comments, feedback, anything at all. You can always email us at feedback unmute show and everybody have a great week and we'll see you next time.
Before we wrap it up, one last important announcement and I we we will work on putting this at the beginning because we know some users have bookmarked the Zoom link for these Tuesday calls. Two weeks from today, that Zoom link will be different. So you want to make sure to pay attention to your community schedule and any other Zoom calls that you regularly attend. Make sure to pay attention to the community schedule because there is a possibility that those Zoom links will be changing with some new policies that have been implemented by ACB community. So once again, use the zoom link from the community schedule and not a bookmarked zoom. So thank you.