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Side effects may include excessive pride, frequent glances, and a renewed love for your aquarium. 01:30.430 --> 01:38.060 Welcome to the aquarium, guys podcast. Jimmy, we've gone too far. 01:39.150 --> 01:41.370 What do you mean? The anal stuff or what? 01:41.440 --> 01:43.962 Well, on that note, I'm your host, Rob Zolson. 01:44.026 --> 01:45.130 I'm Jim Colby. 01:45.210 --> 01:46.830 And I'm Adam El Nashar. 01:47.970 --> 01:49.374 I don't know where that came from. 01:49.412 --> 01:50.554 What, the butt sex? 01:50.682 --> 01:52.302 Nope. Nope. I don't know. 01:52.356 --> 01:53.862 So I was watching Shrek this weekend. 01:53.946 --> 01:56.734 Intros are very hard. Cold opens. 01:56.782 --> 02:04.494 Guys, I was watching Shrek this weekend, and he got kidnapped. And he goes, I've been ass snapped. And I thought that was pretty funny. 02:04.622 --> 02:06.494 Wait, was that actually in the movie? 02:06.542 --> 02:08.638 Yeah, I watched Shrek this week with my grandkids. 02:08.734 --> 02:09.726 Are you serious? Yeah. 02:09.768 --> 02:22.040 He goes, Shrek is the best movie ever. There's so many things in that movie. My personal favorite is that big castle where they have that giant tall castle with two short castles on there. And Shrek goes, I think he's overcompensating for something. 02:22.730 --> 02:29.334 I hate you people and your tangents, but you got me in this one. Have you guys watched the Smurf movie ever? You got to watch it with your grandkids. 02:29.382 --> 02:29.690 No. 02:29.760 --> 02:50.402 The entire movie is nothing but like a def jam comedy hour of level swearing. But they replace every swear word with word smurf. I swear to God, it's the worst. But anyways, now to get our actual, real schedule programming today, I'd like to introduce our guest, Oliver Spencer from Oliver's aquatic garden. Thank you, sir, for joining us. 02:50.536 --> 02:51.214 It's an honor. 02:51.262 --> 02:52.370 It's an honor. 02:52.790 --> 03:06.840 You've been lurking around our community, lurking. Lurking around our community lurking since about the beginning, honestly. So it's long overdue that we've had you on the podcast, so I appreciate you holding out this long for. 03:07.210 --> 03:13.194 I mean, I've been a fan for a while now, and I was like, I need to get on there. So I made it a priority. Now here I am. 03:13.232 --> 03:14.122 Well, I appreciate it. 03:14.176 --> 03:14.826 Welcome. 03:15.008 --> 03:34.334 For those that don't know, Oliver's aquatic garden is on YouTube. Check our show notes. We will have links to it. And you can go to Oliver's aquaticgarden.com to check out his website and. Oh, my God. Look, Jimmy, I'm actually on his website. We didn't talk to him about this, but there is a promo, guys, square promo code. 03:34.452 --> 03:35.482 100% off. 03:35.556 --> 03:37.522 I have, like, three or four in there. 03:37.576 --> 03:39.970 It says 100% off. Is that a typo? 100%. 03:40.040 --> 03:44.450 No, it's 10%. 10% on plant combos. 03:44.870 --> 03:46.066 If it was 100%. 03:46.168 --> 03:47.510 Yeah. He needs to make something. 03:47.660 --> 03:49.014 Made him look anyway, right? 03:49.052 --> 04:02.986 So check out the website while listening into the podcast. But we are having you on the podcast to talk about pallidariums. If I'm. I have a habit of butchering every single word that has anything to do. 04:03.008 --> 04:05.434 With extra vowels and everybody's name, so. 04:05.472 --> 04:07.722 I'm super glad I nailed that one. Finally. 04:07.856 --> 04:25.986 That's true. So, paludariums. The name of it is palu means, like, everything. So when it says terrestrial and water, I believe it means the entirety of it. But as far as the name goes, as far the building, the building is very simple. It's a terrestrial portion and a water portion. In order to make a everything area, you would say. 04:26.088 --> 04:52.778 So to go over the definition directly over the Wikipedia version, a pallidarium is a type of vivarium that incorporates, like you said, terrestrial and aquatic elements as a requirement. A vivarium is an enclosed ecosystem of anything in an encapsulized environment. So we are of the vivarium culture that specifically does aquariums. And hopefully you'll teach us more about how to make some terrestrial corners in our aquariums today. 04:52.864 --> 05:26.530 Exactly. I had started off in the aquarium world for about four years out of my entire time in the hobby. I've been in it for like, nine now, if you're including both the aquarium hobby and the terrestrial hobby. So it started off when I was filling up one of my 75 gallons, and I filled it off halfway, and I was like, all right, what if I stopped right now? And I did. I stopped right then. I gave it a few times, and then I was like, let's come back and remaster this. And I came back, and on that one video where it was my highest viewed video on my YouTube channel. I designed my first ever, and, well, hold on. 05:26.680 --> 05:37.350 I love that description. I want to do that. Everything in life, like, you know what? I built, like, half a car, and I'm like, you know what? I stopped there now killing it. I have a convertible. I don't need to go any further. 05:37.770 --> 05:40.040 I mean, really, it was just like that. 05:40.650 --> 05:50.234 I feel like I'm good enough. Don't even worry about it. How many people just give up? Like, you know what? I started on the top of the head. I don't need the sides. Just have the hair up here. 05:50.432 --> 05:53.280 Reminded me of my first marriage. I've had enough. 05:55.810 --> 05:57.006 I have my kids. 05:57.188 --> 06:00.320 I'm done. It's perfect. We're over. I'm moving on. 06:03.170 --> 06:04.894 Anyways. Continue. That was a good one. 06:04.932 --> 06:21.880 I appreciate that, but no. Yeah, I mean, it was just something looking at it, I was like, man, that reminds me of a slice of a swamp or something. So I was like, man, let's incorporate some terrestrial animals in with these aquatic animals. Let's see what we can cook. Uh, so I made that first video. 06:24.170 --> 06:38.630 This started all on your video on a YouTube channel. Your entire act of doing a pallidarium did not start outside, alone in a private space. You did this for the world to see all your mistakes. 06:38.710 --> 06:40.346 Yes. On the first video. Yes. 06:40.448 --> 06:44.302 Okay, walk us through how that went before people click your link and spoil it. 06:44.356 --> 07:28.378 All right. So, obviously, I'd gotten inspiration from my past Aquariums, filling them up about halfway. So this time I was know I was starting off my polydarian plans. I had purchased all my equipment at, like, lowe's, and I think it was some pet stores, some fish stores, and I'd recently come back from moving from. Had my. I had my brand new tank. So I was getting ready to get the polydarium started. And as I wrote down these plans, I was like, hey, let's put it on the YouTube channel. Because prior to that, my channel was mainly an informational channel. And so I started to build my frame, which your frame can consist of any kind of boards or bricks or large stones to elevate what they call a fake bottom. 07:28.464 --> 07:37.198 Now, is it any different than a normal aquarium frame? Are you talking a frame inside the aquarium? That's what I'm trying to visualize here. 07:37.364 --> 07:51.170 There are two ways to do it. You can do a built in frame. Like, if you were to do a box inside of the aquarium and put things on top of that box to add elevation. It varies on the style that you want to go. 07:51.240 --> 08:01.138 No, I'm still confused. Are we talking a frame outside the aquarium to lift up the aquarium itself? Or are we talking something inside to lift up the innards of the aquarium? 08:01.234 --> 08:03.714 Oh, I'm talking about a frame inside the aquarium. 08:03.762 --> 08:05.234 Okay, now I'm with you, brother. 08:05.362 --> 08:07.154 Something like pvc and egg crate. 08:07.202 --> 08:07.558 Sure. 08:07.644 --> 08:20.150 Exactly. Imagine if you're building yourself, your frame, and it's going to add height to the box of your polydarium. I'm sketching it out as we speak just to get a good reference. 08:20.230 --> 08:22.422 But doing it live, baby. 08:22.566 --> 08:23.260 Yeah. 08:24.190 --> 08:31.342 I'm building that box or that frame. You reinforce it with something simple as just 100% pure silicone. That's what you want to reinforce it as. 08:31.396 --> 08:34.730 So you don't want it loosey goosey. You want it stabilized. 08:34.890 --> 08:35.914 We all want it tight. 08:35.962 --> 08:37.054 You want it nice and tight. 08:37.102 --> 08:37.838 Nice and tight. 08:37.934 --> 08:38.530 Exactly. 08:38.680 --> 08:51.442 So you want to have your frame really nice and tight. Or if you're going with the hardscape method, if you're doing it by hardscape, instead of building a frame, you want to have all that siliconed in or tucked in and secured with the pond lining foam. 08:51.506 --> 08:56.998 And you said pond lining foam. I'm going to have questions. That's why I'm asking ahead of time. 08:57.084 --> 09:15.198 That sounds good. Pond lining foam. Obviously they do it for pond lining. When you're building your pond or you're messing with any kind of, like, filter intake, you can readjust things and secure things using like this. It's a spray foam that hardens into a mold, a hardened mold. That makes sense. 09:15.284 --> 09:19.646 Got you. You use the sheets, not like the blocks that you cut. 09:19.748 --> 09:35.982 Yeah, use the sheets. In the video, I used these type of plastic sheet boards. I've got the name in the video. If you want to check out the exact boards that I used. And I reinforced them with that silicone, and they held up really well when holding down 60, 70 pounds of hardscape and soil. 09:36.046 --> 09:38.542 Damn. That's what I'd call a foam shit. 09:38.606 --> 09:48.278 No, really, it was really quality. Well, I mixed in. I used to support the frame with silicone. Then I put the foam over it to give it an extra security, if that makes sense. 09:48.364 --> 09:48.918 Fair enough. 09:49.004 --> 10:03.210 Yeah. So once you have your frame all sturdy, all set to go, I love to add a lot of the hardscape in, in this step. And this could be the hardscape going into your aquarium part. Or you could put the hardscape in the terrestrial part on top of your shelf. 10:03.370 --> 10:18.562 Now, I'm assuming by this time you have some sort of frame done the aquarium part, is that going to be sealed off from the terrestrial part or we're going to allow water to flow into the terrestrial part as part of the system here. What do you do? 10:18.616 --> 10:33.762 On my personal polydariums, I like to run water going underneath the shelf. I don't think there's really necessarily a need to secure off a watertight seal from the aquarium portion and underneath the shelf. 10:33.826 --> 10:36.850 Do you feel that it acts kind of like as a filter? 10:37.010 --> 10:45.930 It acts as like a. Well, you know how the larger the aquarium it is, easier it is to keep the fish alive, right? Yes, it pretty much acts in that sense. 10:46.000 --> 11:03.018 So more surface area, the more biological filtration you're going to get. But on the other hand, you also have a potential for some of the smaller creatures in your tank to get caught in there. One. And two, wouldn't you worry about some detritus getting in there and causing, I don't know, an ammonia leak? 11:03.194 --> 11:07.650 That is a thing that I've thought about, especially with the fish getting trapped in there. 11:07.720 --> 11:09.266 Don't let it get big enough for that. 11:09.368 --> 11:14.740 Yeah, well, I haven't built any where the fish have gone through there. 11:15.190 --> 11:16.498 You build better than that. 11:16.584 --> 11:55.886 Yeah, I haven't had any fish get trapped in there. And if I were to do, I would have to restrategize my entire build. But out of experience of building several of them now, I haven't had that issue as far as ammonia goes, which it carries on to the next step in which I go to after I align the hardscape and set it into place. This is when I'll add the soil. The aqua soil or the dirt in like a dirted method aquarium. And after you add your substrate, I love to add plants. And I don't go skimpy on the plants. I go full send. Like full send. I've throw in so many plants, it's hard to see. 11:55.988 --> 12:17.682 So let's stop with the dirt then. Is there any type of special recipe? Are you just going to use dirt that's going to be safe to get in the aquarium all around? Or are you going to have some sort of cap that's only going to touch the water and then the stuff above will be terrestrial only? I would worry that anything you put in that tank would need to be some sort of aquasafe. 12:17.746 --> 12:41.194 Exactly. And they are aquasafe. The soils that I use, I use for my build in my aquarium, I use some organic soil from. And this is going to sound crazy, but I'll take some soil, I'll bake it. I'll mix it in with some organic potting soil that is healthy to go for fish. And I mix it in both for my top layer and my layer in the aquarium. And then in the layer in the aquarium, I add a thick layer of sand. 12:41.322 --> 12:42.750 Sounds pretty straightforward to me. 12:42.820 --> 12:48.306 Very straightforward. I was really surprised how easy the build was as I was doing it. 12:48.408 --> 13:00.454 So just to kind of go over this again, you want to make sure you have soil that isn't like miracle grow type stuff that has fertilizers and whatnot. You want something that's completely organic and safe for your fish, correct? 13:00.572 --> 13:08.662 Exactly. If you use something like miracle grow or one of those soils that has that heavy fertilization, it's going to kill your fish over time. 13:08.716 --> 13:23.994 Now, what do you do to filter the water? Is it just going to be a completely planted tank? And you really don't use much filter besides oxygen or a sponge filter? Or do you use some sort of mechanical filtration, like some pump? I'm assuming you can't use a hang on the back filter unless it's real tall. 13:24.122 --> 13:42.798 So in my video polydarium, I used a sponge filter just to break up the surface agitation. And for some of my other polyariums, I use canister filters. But I have designed it to where there's a waterfall trickling down off of objects, whether it be wood or stone. But in majority of the other polydarians, I go completely filterless. 13:42.894 --> 14:09.366 Now, explain where you're putting the water in this. Is it just like two sides, like you have a rectangular aquarium? Is it just two sides and the water is in the middle? You use one particular side for the aquarium esque portion of it? Or is there a special river you have flowing through this to get to the end? What do you recommend, and what do you say that we should stay away from, as far as designing these out of a traditional rectangle? 14:09.478 --> 14:52.362 So the size of the tank does vary. If I'm doing something like a 55 gallon long or 55 gallon tall, it's going to be very different depending on which one I go with. But for something like this 75 gallon traditional that I used in that video, you can really divide it up into quarters, is what I like to do. And the most common way to do a polydarium is to leave the two front quarters that face that you're facing closest to the aquarium in the aquarium portion, and have the back two quarters be terrestrial, although you can change it up by leaving the back quarters, one of the back corners empty and having three thirds of the enclosure water, or three thirds of the enclosure terrestrial. It's really customizable and it's up to you, but it's just going to be determining on how you like it. 14:52.416 --> 15:07.582 Now, is there any risk using heaters in the aquariums? I always think that there's not enough space in these things to have traditional glass heaters, but I completely underestimate the amount of space in these. They're generally much bigger than I always anticipate when I see them. 15:07.636 --> 15:21.860 So that's where I enjoyed the underwater portion of where I had my polydarium. And at the time, it was risky when I was building it. But I enjoy putting the heater in the portion where it is underneath the terrestrial portion, if that makes sense. 15:22.630 --> 15:27.502 Yeah, that makes sense. So that the flowing water gets heated up and then it goes right into the tank. 15:27.646 --> 15:28.110 Exactly. 15:28.200 --> 15:29.330 And it's very protected. 15:29.410 --> 15:39.466 I feel like that's putting an electrical heat source underneath. Dirt would be asking for a short out or something. But I guess that makes sense if, as long as you have water flow. Right. 15:39.648 --> 15:40.586 How deep is you? 15:40.608 --> 15:49.318 Oh, sorry. The heater is underneath in the. It's not covered by any kind of soil. It's just completely underwater. 15:49.494 --> 15:56.030 So you're making this frame a shelf? This is a full on accessible shelf underneath, yes. 15:56.100 --> 15:59.630 Accessible after you've built it. No, that's what the risk I took. 15:59.700 --> 16:01.998 Well, how are you going to get to that heater? My guy? 16:02.164 --> 16:04.050 Titanium grounding probe. 16:06.070 --> 16:15.822 Hey, the heater I used for that one was old, but in my other mean, it had lasted me a while. I was confident in my heater. 16:15.886 --> 16:19.686 Oliver, you're just like. God bless you. You're there forever. Don't even worry about. 16:19.788 --> 16:25.362 Really? No, really. Anyway, but for my other pallidariums, I'll put the heater behind some hardscape and they quarantine. 16:25.426 --> 16:29.362 Okay, so when the heater craps out, you just go from having tropical fish to goldfish? 16:29.506 --> 16:30.354 That's what I do. 16:30.412 --> 16:30.874 Exactly. 16:30.992 --> 16:31.850 Damn right. 16:32.000 --> 16:35.654 We're doing endlers and white cloud mountain minnows. That's what we switch to, boys. 16:35.702 --> 16:36.742 Fiddler crabs. 16:36.886 --> 16:47.530 Okay. Is it fair to say, since this is a pallidarium, you're going to have terrestrial creatures? Those creatures might have to be heated. So you might have heat lamps and other sources, and you might not even need a heater. 16:47.610 --> 16:54.590 Yeah, I mean, if it's a heat required animal, like a terrestrial animal, like some types of frogs, then yes, obviously you're going to need a heat light. 16:54.660 --> 17:00.286 But I mean, damn, I'm good at segues. Let's talk about what you can put in these things without wrecking fish. 17:00.478 --> 17:09.414 I want to know, first of all, is the lid tight? Is it a glass lid? Is it a wire lid? Go ahead. 17:09.532 --> 17:15.206 Thank you. So for all of the builds I've done are glass tight lids that keep the humidity levels high in there. 17:15.228 --> 17:16.630 Okay. That's what I was wondering. 17:18.010 --> 17:22.410 Well, I'm out. I wanted to have put like a tree out the top of mine. 17:25.150 --> 17:27.574 All your critters are going to crawl out on your tree. 17:27.622 --> 17:29.770 I was just going to have a broken wings. 17:30.670 --> 17:35.982 What, do you snap off all the little fiddler crab pinchers or what? Let's run around your house. 17:36.036 --> 17:44.510 I mean, I saw a guy that took. What was he getting? He was buying lobsters from a grocery store and then breaking off their claws and putting them in a fish tank. 17:45.570 --> 17:47.040 What the hell would you do? 17:47.990 --> 17:54.546 Was on, it was a guy on YouTube and then he raised them up. Then he found out the claws grow back and I don't know, I hope. 17:54.568 --> 17:55.970 That they pinched him on the. 17:56.120 --> 17:59.966 Yeah, I was going to say bake the crab claws and hope for a redo. 17:59.998 --> 18:09.654 It's just a sad thing. But no, I just wanted a tree out top and I wanted to somehow make sure that nothing, because they could only crawl on the tree and couldn't jump off. But never mind, my dream's over. 18:09.692 --> 18:11.414 Like a big failed animal. They'll jump. 18:11.462 --> 18:13.526 Yeah, fine, fine. Take it away from me, Adam. 18:13.558 --> 18:16.922 So what kind of livestock are you running in these type of tanks? Anything crazy? 18:17.056 --> 18:38.290 So in the aquatic portion, I've done guppies, I've done paradise fish, I've done tetras, I've done pea puffers, I've done maybe a beta or two. I've done quite a few fish. As for the terrestrial portion, I had in an update video, I added one of those giant american millipedes. 18:40.230 --> 18:40.738 Exactly. 18:40.824 --> 18:41.918 That was my reaction. 18:42.014 --> 18:45.374 Oh, I'm in. As long as it's not a centipede. Centipedes are worse. 18:45.502 --> 18:46.734 Centipedes look evil. 18:46.782 --> 18:47.998 Yeah, because they are. 18:48.104 --> 19:11.010 Here's the fun thing about centipedes. Fun fact, they will survive in the water part for up to an hour. And in fact, I know several people that do centipedes. I know one person really well and she said that the whole way you sex the giant centipedes is you just about drown them to see what sex organs they have and then pull them out of the water to look at them. And when you're done looking at them so they don't bite, you good lord. 19:11.110 --> 19:15.610 So slap them around a little bit, check out their junk. Good lord. 19:15.690 --> 19:16.730 They like, apparently. 19:16.810 --> 19:20.622 Wow, this went off the deep end pretty quick here. 19:20.676 --> 19:25.834 All right, moving on. All right, keep lids on your tanks and beat your centipedes. 19:25.882 --> 19:26.282 Got it? 19:26.356 --> 19:33.860 So you've got centipedes, millipedes, you do dart frogs, you do firebelly toads, you do fiddler crabs, anything like that. 19:34.630 --> 20:06.106 I'd love to get some dart frogs on my hands in that sense, but, man, I have had bad luck looking for them near me. But outside of the millipede, you're going to stock it up. I stocked mine up with some isopods, some bumblebee millipedes, a whole lot of creepy crawley insects. And then I could throw in. I threw in some american toads and they liked it. But after I've kept that main one from the video and I kept all the terrestrial animals, I fell in love more with the fish side than I did with the terrestrial side. And I really haven't been keeping that many terrestrial animals in my other polyvariums. 20:06.138 --> 20:08.986 Vampire crabs and red devil crabs. 20:09.098 --> 20:13.246 So what you're saying is you're keeping semi aquatic stuff like Adam just mentioned? 20:13.348 --> 20:17.934 Not yet. I've been doing a lot of the terrestrial portions just empty without any animals. 20:17.982 --> 20:22.578 Yet they're just waiting for good excuses to get a vampire crap. Come on now. 20:22.664 --> 20:23.762 The ones I've done in the past. 20:23.816 --> 20:25.762 Waiting for, like, something good to come up. 20:25.816 --> 20:26.980 Good to come up. 20:27.350 --> 20:30.050 Mud skippers, that's what he needs ASAP. 20:30.210 --> 20:35.366 That'd be perfect for a brackish one. And then you could have the trees that you buy. 20:35.468 --> 20:35.954 The trees? 20:36.002 --> 20:40.310 Yeah. Well, I don't know. Mangroves climb, don't they? Don't they pretty well. 20:40.380 --> 20:42.658 Mangroves, yeah. 20:42.684 --> 20:45.990 You can put mangroves in there, but I don't think they can climb straight up a tree. 20:46.070 --> 20:49.478 Trim them. You know what I'm saying? Oh, the creatures, the crabs. 20:49.574 --> 20:49.882 Yes. 20:49.936 --> 20:54.634 Trim your bush. Trim. No, that should be a new t shirt, you know that? Trim your bush. 20:54.682 --> 20:57.130 Thank you. That was real beneficial. 20:57.290 --> 20:58.222 I'm just trying to help. 20:58.276 --> 20:59.210 You're helping. 20:59.370 --> 21:11.774 The last time I had one of these crazy things, whisper products used to come out with one where the river ran. I've still got two of them. And you know what? If you go online, you can find them for like $110. I think I paid $30 and brand new. 21:11.812 --> 21:17.750 I must pause you because we're going to have questions. What the hell are you talking about? Know what you're talking about? Tell the audience what you're talking about. 21:17.900 --> 21:19.014 Oh, my God, what was it called? 21:19.052 --> 21:22.482 Adam, remember whisper magic river or some stupid shit? 21:22.546 --> 21:24.534 Yeah, whisper river system. 21:24.652 --> 21:25.910 And anyway, it was just a little. 21:25.980 --> 21:27.030 Hetra had it, too. 21:27.100 --> 21:55.230 Right. And they made them for quite a while. And what I used them a lot for in some of my stores is I'd have buy a very shallow tank, like a 33 gallon long, which they don't make anymore. It's one of my favorite tanks. And you could run the river system through it and just kind of slope off the gravel on one side. And those fiddler crabs would go in and out of there all day long stuff. And I would just throw in 50 feeder guppies in there at a crack, and they would just go in and grab them and come back out and go, I got a feeder guppy, buddy. 21:55.310 --> 22:00.178 So the way that I can describe this is you take, was it a 20 long? That's made for at least 40. 22:00.264 --> 22:01.506 Yeah, at least a 20. 22:01.688 --> 22:15.878 They're pre made plastic units for a rectangular aquarium. You go in and it has a divider where it's supposed to be made for one side being an aquarium, the other side having dirt for a terrestrial area. 22:15.964 --> 22:16.262 Right. 22:16.316 --> 22:37.006 And this is the divider it makes. And it has a river system where it can push water through from the aquarium and then push it through a fake little plastic river through the dirt. And it's like a pre done guide for your pallidarium. And that's what Jimmy was using, so he know, have a live supply of feeder Guppies for his lot of. 22:37.028 --> 22:41.310 I mean, people love those things. And when they first came out, they sold a crapload of those things. 22:41.380 --> 22:46.510 I've only seen them twice in the last ten years, and they were extremely expensive, used. 22:46.580 --> 22:51.534 Yeah, I was going to say I've seen them for $110. I think I paid $30 for them, probably wholesale back in the day. 22:51.572 --> 22:54.430 I think it was $150, and it wasn't even completely complete. 22:54.500 --> 23:01.574 All right, and so anyway, you know what? I'm going to set mine back up because we're going to do a tour of my fish room here in a few. Next month or so. 23:01.772 --> 23:02.662 Next month? 23:02.796 --> 23:03.814 Next month or so? Yeah. 23:03.852 --> 23:04.182 All right. 23:04.236 --> 23:05.654 Hey, get off my ass. 23:05.852 --> 23:06.886 I got to get you on your. 23:06.908 --> 23:36.000 You know what I'm going to get you for Christmas? I'm going to get you handrails installed in my ass because you ride me so hard. But anyway, enjoy the view. Yeah, it was so cool having all those little fiddler crabs in there, and they would run in and out of the water and people at the store sitter and watch these things. And you know how the fiddler crab will sit there and just kind of wave their hand like this here. It's like, what's up? What's up, mother? And we sold just tons and tons of fiddler crabs. And then people would take them and buy them and put them in their aquarium. And they would die because they couldn't get out and get some air. 23:36.690 --> 23:37.498 Yeah. 23:37.684 --> 23:38.702 What a gimmick. 23:38.766 --> 23:39.970 I sold lots of them. 23:40.040 --> 23:41.150 What a gimmick. 23:41.310 --> 23:47.042 Yeah. For those of you listening, the fiddler crabs need to be able to climb up a plant, at least to the top, to grab some air. 23:47.096 --> 23:54.290 You sure should. You sure should. But, Oliver. What shouldn't you put in a pallidarium as far as creatures? 23:54.370 --> 24:12.870 When I experimented, I think any type of fish can go as long as you know your fish. What type of aggressive fish? Just like an aquarium that just half full. As far as terrestrial animals go. I had some bad. I had times with some geckos. I don't think some geckos end up drowning. 24:12.950 --> 24:14.522 Species of gecko. Did you try. 24:14.656 --> 24:16.682 I used some common mediterranean geckos. 24:16.746 --> 24:18.240 Yeah, they don't swim well. 24:20.050 --> 24:21.790 It's just a little trial and error. 24:22.210 --> 24:31.694 I wouldn't put any expensive fish in there because they just tend to not do well unless you've got a deep enough tank. How deep is the water in your tank? 24:31.742 --> 24:38.014 I agree. Let's see, it was about half of a 75 gallon. So I'd probably say about 32, 33 gallons. 24:38.062 --> 24:42.998 Yeah. So that's pretty sizable. That's a lot of water. You can put a lot of cool fish in there. 24:43.084 --> 24:59.606 Most of them. These tanks do high flow. If you're going to have the river system. So angle towards that corridor is. I know, excel in a lot of these environments. In fact, I have friends with pallidariums where they breed better than any other aquarium that they've set up. Thanks to that lovely. 24:59.798 --> 25:00.502 The flow. 25:00.566 --> 25:01.210 Flow system. 25:01.280 --> 25:02.682 Yeah, I've seen some pretty cool ones. 25:02.736 --> 25:03.594 Cory's love it. 25:03.632 --> 25:19.998 I've seen some pretty cool ones, too. That have had some beautiful long fin, gold danios in there. And for some reason, just because of the low level of the water and how fast they are with the right lighting, it just sits there and flashes and flashes. And that's beautiful when you see a lot of action in your tank. 25:20.094 --> 26:07.390 Well, I got one to add. And for those who've listened to our story, times have passed. I did, many years ago, a pallidarium for school. It had a beta. It had these green african tree frogs. And I don't know what species it was. For the damn life of me, they were just green. Some sort of tree frog. They didn't have the red eyes, kind of like you see in the magazines, but they were definitely bright green tree frogs. And for some reason, at night, they just screamed. Adam, I think you told me what they were during the story time. They literally sounded like someone was being chased or attempted rape. It was bloody murder. It was awful. So stay away from tree frogs at all costs. 26:07.470 --> 26:08.562 The best things for it. 26:08.616 --> 26:09.522 No, that. 26:09.576 --> 26:24.482 No. I like Adam's work, too. I love tree frogs in there. But if you get a bunch of them. When I used to wholesale them and bring them in, I bring in like 50 at a crack, put them in a tank, and, my God, after dark, it just. What the hell's going on over in that corner? They can chatter so loud. 26:24.546 --> 26:27.686 Yeah. So if you're going to have this at your home where you're sleeping, don't you know what? 26:27.708 --> 26:31.178 Put it next to your hamster cage. Because your hamster is up on the wheel all night anyway. 26:31.344 --> 26:34.700 That hamster will die of a heart attack, 100%. 26:35.150 --> 26:37.066 Put the hamster in the pilot area. 26:37.168 --> 26:38.474 That's another bad idea. 26:38.592 --> 26:40.060 That's something. Yeah. 26:41.150 --> 26:44.942 Your hamster will drown. Why? Because I've had friends that tried that. 26:44.996 --> 26:46.670 What about that cool guy on the Internet. 26:47.970 --> 26:51.610 Who's dumb enough to put a hamster in a fish tank? 26:51.690 --> 26:52.410 Hamchur. 26:52.490 --> 26:54.394 Hamchur. We've seen this before on the Internet. 26:54.442 --> 27:02.302 Yeah, the guy that makes. We talked about it a whole episode on it. Adam. He makes the submerged enclosures for hamsters. 27:02.366 --> 27:03.860 That guy's got issues. 27:04.710 --> 27:07.538 That is a very od thing to be interested in. 27:07.704 --> 27:10.610 Did you listen to our little podcast on that one, Oliver? 27:10.690 --> 27:15.586 Yeah. Was it in the same episode with that teenager that bred, like, a million frogs? 27:15.618 --> 27:18.642 Yeah, frog army guy. Yeah. By the way, I'm pretty sure he got sued. 27:18.706 --> 27:19.522 That was disturbing. 27:19.586 --> 27:19.814 Yeah. 27:19.852 --> 27:20.658 Still is disturbing. 27:20.674 --> 27:21.462 Why did he get sued? 27:21.526 --> 27:38.830 I think the city sued him, went after him. Yeah, but I think that he was let go due to mental. This is just me guessing. Complete hyperbole. I have no facts for this. I just have some gut feelings. From some details I found. I think that he kind of got away with it because of mental handicaps. 27:39.170 --> 27:40.330 That is hilarious. 27:40.410 --> 27:43.738 Don't know. No way. Just my speculation. 27:43.834 --> 27:55.586 So, has anybody got any ideas of what would be really cool? And then people out there listening right now, if you could just send us what you think would look really cool in there. I mean, I think a little pterodactyl dinosaur would be cool. 27:55.688 --> 28:14.010 Well, you remember those japanese bug wrestling, Jimmy, back in the day, okay. When I was a kid, it was the coolest shit. You go on the Internet and you watch this japanese bug wrestling and you find all these cool giant ass beetles and all these scorpions and whatnot. 28:14.670 --> 28:15.546 That'd be a good one. 28:15.568 --> 28:35.578 I thought it was the coolest thing. But the problem was they put them in such white, plastic, vanilla glass surroundings with nothing in them. I think that you need a natural area with a water gauntlet. You need some actual features. So you need a pallidarium to put down the bug gauntlet. 28:35.754 --> 28:42.466 You know, it would be cool to be an elph and dung beetle. I don't know. We're going to get elf and dung to keep this beetle busy, but those things are so cool. 28:42.488 --> 28:46.990 Or a rhinoceros beetle, just to roll the shit into the aquarium and kill yourself back and forth. 28:47.070 --> 28:49.410 I mean, just ammonia balm. 28:50.970 --> 29:31.570 So somebody keeps putting on their green and olf. Actually, I don't know if you know this guy, Philippe de Vocili. He wrote a book on these, on pallidariums. I might have the book somewhere in one of my collections. I think he didn't use them because they were kind of dumb and they'd hit the water and they drown. They're kind of like mediterranean geckos. You'd need something that's semi aquatic. Bacillus glizards, if your tank is big enough. Water dragons, if your tank is big enough. There's some smaller. There is a few species of green and old, not green and oles. There's a few species of an old. There's a completely aquatic species of anole that actually stores air in a bubble above its nose and it'll dive and it'll hunt fish. 29:31.990 --> 29:33.214 That'd be sweet. 29:33.342 --> 29:34.786 That would be the one. 29:34.968 --> 29:50.774 I may or may not know some people that have them because as far as I know, they're special. And I use that in quotes. But you'd want something that's aquatic that can go back and forth. So most people go put newts, toads, that type of thing. Firebelly toads. They're actually very destructive. They dig a lot. 29:50.812 --> 29:57.770 And before people start messaging the Jesus lizard, those things are too big and need way too much space to ever put in a box if it's big enough. 29:57.920 --> 29:59.354 Oh, turtles would be a good one too. 29:59.392 --> 30:02.860 Yeah, well, turtles would dig it up too. But yeah, turtles would work. 30:04.190 --> 30:09.600 That'd be a big pallidarium for a turtle, though. You have to have, like, at least 125 to start. 30:10.210 --> 30:15.106 Musk turtles get about four inches, and they would probably work depending on how much land you have. 30:15.208 --> 30:19.090 But then we're talking about a USDA banned turtle. You know what? 30:19.240 --> 30:23.490 You know, right now you can go online and buy baby turtles for educational. 30:24.630 --> 30:33.430 Hey, Jimmy. No, you can't. We're not telling people to, you know, if you happen to find a website on your own without our recommendations. 30:34.410 --> 30:37.046 So I saw the cutest alligator will be amazing. 30:37.148 --> 31:02.554 I saw the cutest little red ear albino slider and it was only like 800, $900. But God dang, it was cute as a button. Talking about turtles real quick. So my wife and I are going on vacation here in the near future, and they have a place where you can go with these sea turtles and go swimming with the sea turtles. Do you know it's three times more the price than anything else for an excursion you can do off the ship? 31:02.602 --> 31:03.370 The sea turtles. 31:03.450 --> 31:07.202 To go swimming with sea turtles. I'm going. Is that illegal or is it not? 31:07.256 --> 31:08.900 Is this the rock band thing? 31:09.430 --> 31:11.022 They're federally protected. 31:11.086 --> 31:13.780 That's what I'm saying. But they're selling. They're usually. 31:14.310 --> 31:21.714 Hold on, hold on. Aren't the sea cows. Sea cows, manatees. Aren't they federally protected? And we can still swim with those sons of bitches. 31:21.762 --> 31:22.534 Yep. We did that. 31:22.572 --> 31:23.160 Yeah. 31:24.970 --> 31:27.622 Didn't they bust a woman for, like, bareback riding one? 31:27.676 --> 31:27.846 Yeah. 31:27.868 --> 31:30.082 Yeah. You can't touch them. They tell you that when you go swimming? 31:30.146 --> 31:30.470 Yeah. 31:30.540 --> 31:33.158 So Rob's and I and our wives. 31:33.334 --> 31:35.770 We were feeding them. They gave us food for the. 31:35.920 --> 31:52.000 Yeah. And we were in Florida, and it's the only place you legally can go swim with the manatees in the world. And the Florida DNR are sitting right there on the shore watching you swim with these things and stuff. And if they approach you, that's fine, but you can't approach them. It's kind of like things women at a bar. I don't know. 31:52.610 --> 31:56.482 It was fun getting in a little black teddy in front of them, though. 31:56.536 --> 31:56.754 Yeah. 31:56.792 --> 31:57.582 I'm not going to lie. 31:57.646 --> 31:59.330 Sexy, sexy. 31:59.750 --> 32:01.342 All right, we're getting off topic. 32:01.406 --> 32:02.990 I like that. Baby alligator. 32:03.070 --> 32:03.726 Baby alligator. 32:03.758 --> 32:06.610 Manatee consent. Manatee consent. 32:07.590 --> 32:13.538 If you want a baby alligator, I will message you after the show. Or I can let you know of a couple of places. 32:13.634 --> 32:14.854 I've got connections, too. 32:14.972 --> 32:15.734 You do, too? 32:15.852 --> 32:16.374 Yeah. 32:16.492 --> 32:18.678 I was going to say alligators are pretty easy. 32:18.844 --> 32:20.054 I know. I've been bitten by one. 32:20.092 --> 32:20.294 Right. 32:20.332 --> 32:21.754 That explains a few things that you. 32:21.792 --> 32:22.540 It does. 32:23.070 --> 32:33.302 Back in the day when I was buying from Seagris farms. They sold Cayman for a long time. They don't evil and they are more aggressive than an alligator or a crocodile. 32:33.366 --> 32:34.198 I enjoy Cayman. 32:34.294 --> 32:51.010 And I would buy them. And I remember my kids took them to school for show and tell. Somebody would buy a couple of them. And I was paying at that time wholesale, like $25 apiece. And I'd buy them for 25, I'd sell them for 55, $60 and they were selling them for 129. 32:51.080 --> 32:51.762 Hold your son. 32:51.816 --> 32:53.426 My son now is in his 30s, right? 32:53.448 --> 33:00.200 So I'm the same age as your son. Like, I brought a twelve inch buck knife to school, right? He brought a cayman. It was a good time. 33:00.730 --> 33:02.360 Times have changed, people. 33:03.210 --> 33:25.386 We had fruit roll ups and Captain Planet. It was a good time. Anyways, we're totally off topic. I got more questions that have been messaged to prep for this. How do you deal with excrement in the tank? Is there any particular species you got to be concerned about with their terrestrial shit that would do adverse things in the aquarium side of the pallidarium? 33:25.498 --> 33:36.306 Let's see. As far as the terrestrial side, no. However, I don't think platos would be very good in the aquatic side, though. I think it'd make it ten times difficult. 33:36.408 --> 33:37.060 Why? 33:38.950 --> 33:39.950 They crap everywhere. 33:40.030 --> 33:53.282 Well, I'm not worried about aquatic shit. I'm thinking like, is there a tortoise, like a baby tortoise that you put in and somehow that tortoise has some weird acidic shit that once hit the water would crap out my neon tetris. 33:53.346 --> 33:55.366 Not that I'm aware of. Not that I'm aware of. 33:55.388 --> 33:58.082 All right, turtle, not tortoise. 33:58.146 --> 33:59.014 Oh, no. 33:59.212 --> 34:01.610 Swim well if it won't let it drown. 34:02.030 --> 34:02.806 Definitely drowns. 34:02.838 --> 34:04.438 It needs to drink baby salcada. 34:04.454 --> 34:06.460 Tortoises will float for a little bit. 34:07.230 --> 34:08.678 Can confirm. 34:08.854 --> 34:20.410 Yeah, I've seen so many of those videos on TikTok where they like, oh, we saved this baby turtle. It's a dank tortoise, and they throw it in the freaking. It's like, it's terrible. 34:20.490 --> 34:43.480 Hey, my favorite one. I don't want to call out the guy because I already did and it pissed me off. But there's a famous gentleman on YouTube, and he did what I was called the goldfish roller coaster where he took and bought a bunch of feeder goldfish from a petco and then put them through this hundred foot plastic tube and then funneled him to his bathtub for fun. 34:43.930 --> 34:45.240 I saw that. 34:46.970 --> 34:52.646 Oh, nothing. Wanted me to delete YouTube app off my phone more oh, lord. 34:52.838 --> 35:02.346 So, something I've been watching now for the last couple of weeks, and I've talked about this to Adam off air, and it's a new program called extinct or not something like that. 35:02.368 --> 35:05.098 Right. Extinct or alive. I'm addicted. I've watched every season. 35:05.194 --> 35:06.718 Have you seen the one now where. 35:06.724 --> 35:11.326 They go find the Oris Galante is my sexual serpent, where they find the. 35:11.348 --> 35:22.978 Freaking tortoise on the island, and the first thing they do is they pick it up, they kiss it, they love on it, they hug it, and then they tie the son of a bitch up and they take it across the island and they take it home. 35:23.144 --> 35:27.522 Why? Because it was a like. Why are you mad about that? 35:27.576 --> 35:31.286 Well, I mean, if this tortoise has lived on this island for its entire life. 35:31.388 --> 35:41.674 Jimmy, Jimmy. And I'm not painting out the picture here, it was on a volcanic, unstable island that it was a miracle that it found a piece of grass to live off of for a hundred years. By itself. 35:41.872 --> 35:43.226 We don't know if it's by itself. 35:43.328 --> 35:46.874 Oh, they searched the entire island at the very end. 35:46.912 --> 35:49.002 They said they're out searching for a male right now. 35:49.056 --> 35:49.418 Yeah. 35:49.504 --> 35:58.366 On other islands, that turtle that they got was. They said it's the only island they've ever found it on. Yeah. And it hadn't been like, what, 1898. 35:58.388 --> 36:04.890 Or something like that. Literally. The last known specimen was one that a pirate cut open to eat on a ship. 36:04.970 --> 36:15.614 Yeah. Because they said they used to buy or steal these things off the island, and then they would just put them on the ship alive, let them roam around, and then when it was time to eat something, they just kill the tortoise and eat the meat. 36:15.662 --> 36:20.530 Yeah, because before they had coolers or freezers or salted meats, they would just keep tortoises on ships. 36:20.610 --> 36:26.914 Right. Okay, so this one is the only one in existence, so we're going to take it and put it on a pet and zoo farm. 36:26.962 --> 36:32.422 Yeah, because it's like one gas cloud away from getting killed on the volcanic island it was on. 36:32.476 --> 36:42.122 So this thing hasn't seen humans in its entire life, and the first thing they do is pick it up and kiss it. Come on. This guy might have had herpes or some sort of vaginal things, we don't know. 36:42.176 --> 36:45.998 Honestly, if that's so wrong as an STD, I want. 36:46.084 --> 36:48.410 Oh, my God, you freaking zoo. 36:48.490 --> 36:51.178 Because we know that that came from Blackbeard himself. 36:51.274 --> 37:01.102 Oh, God. So, yeah, so we stole this and we put it on this turtle sanctuary, and we're hoping to find a male if we don't, well, we're just going to make this one fatter. 37:01.166 --> 37:09.590 Can you imagine Forrest Galante sitting in the ER? Excuse me, the test results came back and we haven't seen this strain of herpes. 37:10.010 --> 37:11.378 Turtle herpes. 37:11.554 --> 37:17.670 We haven't seen this strain since we actually found it from a fossil record in the Caribbean. 37:19.130 --> 37:23.146 Where were you? Anyway, great program. Really enjoy it. 37:23.328 --> 37:32.510 Like how Forrest Galante can take rare and endangered shit and he's quote unquote saving it. And I do that and I'm vilified. That's right, Adam and everybody else. 37:32.580 --> 37:38.190 You know what? Let's save that for the Pissy Aquarius program that we're going to come up with here shortly. 37:41.570 --> 39:04.540 Hey there, listeners. One of the best parts of creating this podcast is getting to connect with all of you. If you've been loving the content and are craving more, we'd like to invite you to become a premium member of our podcast family. By joining, you'll unlock a treasure trove of bonus content. 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What is it? 39:32.520 --> 39:39.618 It's like an eight to twelve inch lizard. It looks like a gamma, but it's got a weird. It's related to a gammas. 39:39.714 --> 39:42.834 Okay, I thought that was last extinct in 1993 with the movie. 39:42.882 --> 39:53.674 Probably. All right, for those of you who haven't followed this program for the whole length that we've had, Adam is kind of our resident reptile guy. Oh, herpetologist type guy. 39:53.792 --> 39:55.334 He's the herp specialist. 39:55.462 --> 39:56.620 I thought you said. 39:57.310 --> 40:07.818 No, that's you. We were talking about the podcast last time. He got drunk and he painted his penis to look green, to end I quote, look like a sexual serpent capable of spitting its venom everywhere. 40:07.914 --> 40:10.720 Oh, the Egyptian spitting cobra. Yes, I've heard this story. 40:12.610 --> 40:16.762 What was it? Aw, no. Driving while Arab. 40:16.826 --> 40:17.318 DWA. 40:17.354 --> 40:18.222 That's DWA. 40:18.286 --> 40:31.558 So Adam is a good guy, and when he was younger, he would take his fellow Buddies out drinking, and you had the most sketchy van your grandmother owned. Like a medivan, right? 40:31.644 --> 40:33.318 Yeah, it was like a medivan, yeah. 40:33.404 --> 40:53.654 And it had a little ramp on it and stuff. And Adam would load up all his budies on his thing, take them out and get them drunk, and then drive them all home. And of course, they'd pull out at 01:00 in the morning, and they'd get pulled over because all his buddies are hanging out the window, hooping and hollering like a bunch of six year olds. And then they'd pull up. Adam, go, you know why we pulled you over? And Adam said, what? 40:53.712 --> 40:54.830 Dwa. 40:55.570 --> 40:56.494 What's that? 40:56.612 --> 40:58.842 I'd have just, like, driving Arab driving. 40:58.906 --> 40:59.434 Well, Arab. 40:59.482 --> 41:11.330 I would just like, lean the back like, guys, we're in a med event. Just pretend to be retarded. Lean into it. Don't even worry about, like, me drink. No, these guys retarded. All right, we do get another question. 41:11.400 --> 41:12.002 What is it? 41:12.056 --> 41:23.042 How do you handle erosion in flowing tanks? For instance, if you're using sand or other substrates with a river, how do you handle the erosions in it? Do you use glue or other compound? 41:23.106 --> 41:24.310 That is a great question. 41:24.460 --> 41:59.650 That is a really good question. So, in the terrestrial portion, that's what the frame is all about, is making sure there's no making sure you have everything secured so when you add your soil to the frame, everything should be in line. If not, you can go back and tweak it. For the water is put into the polydarium in the aquatic portion. Let's see. I haven't had any issues. With the substrate coming undone with flow. Although I'm sure if you have too high of a power jet, it would definitely, like, the sand would get kicked up for sure. But I keep my levels when they're with flow. At a point where they don't fall down and hit the sand. And if they do, I'll readjust the pump. I mean, it's really up to the flow in that sense. 41:59.720 --> 42:20.198 Now, I got a quick question. If I'm doing one of these. Where I'm running an undergrow or underwater pump to the corner of my tank. Could I take, like, a piece of pond liner. And do like six inches wide and two and a half foot long. And kind of bury that under the gravel. And put clean gravel and river rock on top of that? Would that work? 42:20.284 --> 42:39.902 Exactly. Not only will that work, there are other examples of people doing it. I haven't done that. I was going to do that method for my second build, which the footage got corrupted. But that method does work. And there's this guy on YouTube who do it really, really well. He made, like, these intricate tunnel systems of it. I can't remember, but he was really good at it. But, yes, you can do that. 42:39.956 --> 42:43.806 Okay, that sounds like an easy way to keep the erosion from moving around. 42:43.908 --> 42:55.522 Don't worry, there will be details in our show notes. Where Oliver will send us follow up information. And I'm assuming you can check his feed. For after actions on his own YouTube channel now. 42:55.576 --> 42:56.034 Exactly. 42:56.152 --> 43:09.880 Another question I got from a user. I built a polydarium. I built a frame. I put in my frame and glued it like you told me to. I have built my system. I ran it for quite a long time. And now my frame's super stinky. I'd like to take it out. Why did you make me glue it? 43:10.810 --> 43:13.478 Super stinky? Frame stinks? 43:13.574 --> 43:17.642 Yeah. I want to access it, clean it out, take care of it. Why did you make me glue it? 43:17.696 --> 43:17.974 Dang. 43:18.022 --> 43:19.446 Why does it stink, Robbie? 43:19.558 --> 43:21.882 That's what I want. I want him to address here. 43:21.936 --> 43:22.746 Make any sense? 43:22.848 --> 43:25.050 I'm tossing him a low, easy ball here. 43:25.120 --> 43:33.114 I have not had that happen. I mean, I usually go the natural route. And let the roots get in there, but haven't had it get. What's the definition of dirty? Are you talking algae? 43:33.162 --> 43:35.294 No. Stinky. Not dirty. Stinky. 43:35.342 --> 43:36.094 Stinky. 43:36.222 --> 43:36.878 Stinky. 43:36.974 --> 43:41.202 Stinky. It looks fine. Everything's good to go, brother. It just smells bad. 43:41.336 --> 43:43.998 Smells bad. That means something probably got underneath there and died. 43:44.094 --> 43:45.038 Yeah, dead. 43:45.134 --> 43:49.542 And that's not a good sign. That would mean you probably have to take it down and take it out. 43:49.596 --> 43:55.426 All right, is there any other methods in case something didn't go and it was just bacteria? Do you have any solutions? 43:55.618 --> 44:14.030 Yes, there would be a way that you could poke some holes into it. Like if it was an anaerobic buildup, you could try accessing it through the terrestrial portion where you don't have to take it all down. Like, how would I explain it? Kind of like cutting a hole through the roof of it and letting it get some air. I mean, it's. Sure it'd be nasty, but it'd smell quite a bit. But let it get some fresh air down there. 44:14.100 --> 44:44.200 All right, I'm going to beat you to the punch here. So I've seen this in a lot of forums and a lot of comments. Absolutely. Getting air is a great one. Try to access it, find the source of the stinkiness. Because something probably crawled in there or slipped in there somehow. But the last case ditch scenario before you rip apart your scape would be to prime that bitch apart. Sometimes you just get an excess build up inside of it. Something got cruddy in somewhere and it built up over time. It doesn't smell well, dump prime into it or some other. 44:44.650 --> 44:57.082 Add more stink to it. Add some prime. So basically it's kind of like chili night at the Olsen house? Is that what you're saying? Are you trying to clear up why it stinks at your house after chili night? 44:57.136 --> 45:00.010 I got to have something to blame it on it for sake. Come on now. 45:00.160 --> 45:08.490 I think if you all seen those, go ahead. Have you all seen those aquariums where they don't feed them and they have the. I can't remember what the type of fish, but they would eat off a leaf litter. 45:08.570 --> 45:14.090 I just sent Robbie and Adam one today where the guy was doing a jar with freaking tiger barbs. 45:14.250 --> 45:27.880 It was not just a jar, right? He let no surface area. He filled it all the way up to the top and then covered it with a plant pot. So there was literally no surface area agitation. And then he just trapped barbs underneath it. It was so much fun. 45:28.810 --> 45:30.198 Was that like a YouTube video? 45:30.284 --> 45:33.240 Yes, it was. It's our boy fish for thought. 45:34.490 --> 45:35.046 Really? 45:35.148 --> 45:39.000 The king of shitting on aquariums. Shout out to you, my friend. 45:39.530 --> 45:41.910 And what happened in the first minute robs. 45:42.490 --> 45:59.406 I don't want to call them out because we don't own the patent on ducks for censoring our swear words. I feel it's more of an homage because he's a secret fan of ours. And if you, Mr. Fish for thought, are a fan of ours, reach out, because I would love to. Some aquariums with you. 45:59.428 --> 46:00.174 Yeah, come on. On. 46:00.212 --> 46:00.814 You know what I'm saying? 46:00.852 --> 46:08.222 I was watching that today, and I was into the first minute, and all of a sudden he says something and goes, quack. And I go, son of a bitch. And I sent that to Robbie and Adam. 46:08.286 --> 46:12.194 Jimmy's a big fan of yours. I'm just going to say Jimmy's a big. 46:12.232 --> 46:24.694 I'm just know since you got tiger barbs in that jar. And here again, it wasn't his jar. He was just crapping on people. And mean is the only reason you didn't put a six inch goldfish in there, because you couldn't get it through the neck of the bottle or what's the deal? 46:24.812 --> 46:28.838 No, I'm being serious about that. Prime recommendation, by the way, before we can move on. 46:28.924 --> 46:30.054 Adding stink to stink. 46:30.102 --> 46:40.970 No. If you're having an ammonia buildup, you have just schmoo and schmoo build up somewhere in a pocket, and you do a prime blowout. It has worked for a few of my friends. 46:41.040 --> 46:44.954 So you're saying do a prime flush anima? 46:45.002 --> 47:00.130 Yeah, a prime flush. And it does work. Now, when you do this, your butthole is going to. You got to remove. It's basically like 100% water change, and it can burn your plants as well. So it is a last ditch effort before you tear apart your pallidarium. 47:01.030 --> 47:02.180 Burn your eyes. 47:02.870 --> 47:05.218 Water change would really help that out, too. 47:05.384 --> 47:09.782 This is a Hail Mary pass once you've exhausted all other efforts, but, yeah. Thank you. 47:09.836 --> 47:15.922 Just so you guys know, zoomed has a book on pallidarium with a big suggestion list of animals. 47:15.986 --> 47:17.654 Now, that's a company I love, by the way. 47:17.692 --> 47:19.014 Zoomed. Good company. 47:19.052 --> 47:19.442 Zoomed. 47:19.506 --> 47:19.782 Yeah. 47:19.836 --> 47:20.582 Really good place. 47:20.636 --> 47:29.126 I love mean. That's what I really like, pallidariums. I mean, you can combine both a terrarium world and the aquarium world, and you can have, like, endless opportunities of stocking, to an extent. 47:29.158 --> 47:39.210 To an know the other thing, I'll say that I used to buy and get in that were really cool. And I don't know if Adam remembers not. We used to get in the green vine snakes. 47:39.290 --> 47:40.560 Those things were awesome. 47:41.730 --> 47:54.898 Even small ones were 1012 inches, but they were so beautiful and they reminded me a little bit of the green anaconda color. And I think that in there would be cool because then you could throw a small mouse in there once in a while. 47:54.984 --> 48:07.110 Man. I'm going to stop you boys before you start reminiscing about getting a goliath frog and telling you to put it in a 40 gallon. So we're going to let Oliver wrap it up here. What are we missing, brother? What haven't we talked about? 48:07.180 --> 48:08.002 Tarantulas. 48:08.066 --> 48:34.554 All right, so we've talked about if there's anything that falls behind the cleaning for the polydariums, it's pretty self explanatory. It's very similar to just a water change in the aquarium. Unplug your equipment, get in there, get the waste off the ground. If you're not running as many plants as I usually do in my polydariums, the aquarium portion very. Don't dirt that portion of the aquarium, if that makes sense. Do just a sand or gravel substrate. 48:34.602 --> 48:35.518 Makes sense to me. 48:35.604 --> 48:40.702 What would you suggest for a starter plant for a yuckhead like me and rob and Adam? 48:40.766 --> 49:06.634 So for starting plants, about 99% of the aquarium plants you all have can be transferred over to the terrestrial side. So that's where if you have something like alternatehera, you can grow it both in the water and outside the water. Those like alternate thera, reconi, Amazon swords, any kind of floating plant. Obviously, very hardy aquatic plants are really great terrestrial plants to grow in the terrestrial portion. And they look different than their submerged form, too. 49:06.672 --> 49:06.938 Can you. 49:06.944 --> 49:08.154 Do you know what be awesome? 49:08.272 --> 49:08.934 The plant. 49:08.982 --> 49:10.534 What, Bill? Plant. 49:10.662 --> 49:12.174 I need to get my hands on that. 49:12.212 --> 49:16.206 Well, I'll tell you what, Oliver, you let us know and we'll ship you some. 49:16.388 --> 49:20.222 Yep. Will Anubius and crypts do well? 49:20.276 --> 49:33.986 Anubius and crypts would do fantastic. I've done brown crypts, basically every single plant except for pothos, guppy grass, kombumba and valisneria, if you want to do both portions. Now, if you just want to do aquatics, you put those in there. 49:34.008 --> 49:34.990 But what about pothos? 49:35.070 --> 49:35.666 Almost anything. 49:35.768 --> 49:37.042 Pothos will work. 49:37.176 --> 49:41.094 So many of those hold on, all different types. Any kind of house plant you have. 49:41.212 --> 49:50.470 Hold on, put it in there. Pathos is toxic when the roots are broken. So why would I risk breaking roots and letting that get into my water? 49:50.540 --> 49:52.038 The roots don't usually break. 49:52.124 --> 49:55.510 Well, I'm dumb and I move my stuff around and I break roots, brother. 49:55.590 --> 49:59.722 Well, I mean, I had your fish vines in there, and they didn't mean. 49:59.856 --> 50:02.086 All right, I literally would have pothos. 50:02.118 --> 50:07.598 With some of the most rarest geckos that you could think of. And they were perfect with it. Never had an issue. 50:07.684 --> 50:08.254 All right. 50:08.372 --> 50:09.882 Don't be a Debbie downer, Rob. 50:09.946 --> 50:20.642 I know that this is going to be, like a pro tip. I haven't done a ton of these things, but I've done a few. And my personal favorite, because it stays short, it finds nice. It really pulls off. 50:20.696 --> 50:21.726 Don't talk about your peepee. 50:21.758 --> 50:22.866 No, you said it. 50:22.888 --> 50:23.700 Stay small. 50:24.150 --> 50:40.294 I don't have the real name. I had to google it. The common name is insensitive. And I'd like to apologize to our jewish audience, but it's called a creeping jew. Commonly, it's the inch plant. I think it's a purple, beautiful purple plant. The wandering jew, the creeping jew. 50:40.342 --> 50:43.274 Whatever it is, I think it's transcantia, isn't it? 50:43.312 --> 50:44.202 Yeah, sounds about right. 50:44.256 --> 50:46.810 Yeah, because you're kind of being insensitive, you dick. 50:48.030 --> 50:57.040 I have a bunch of white people handing me plants that are 90 years old. What are they going to call it? They're the same people that call Brazil nuts the n word. You know what I'm saying? 50:58.290 --> 51:00.558 The nigerian one calls them that all. 51:00.564 --> 51:01.662 The time as he eats them. 51:01.716 --> 51:54.862 For those that don't know, look up n word toes. You're welcome. Your grandma knows what that was our audience here. My grandma still calls him that. See? Anyways, regardless, you give her a go if you need some help. Oliver's aquatic garden on YouTube. You'll find the link in the show notes. Otherwise, you can check out his website directly. Oliversgarden.com promo code aquarium guys for 10% off plants, I believe, at checkout, yes. Did not know about that promo code till literally we hit record, and I found it on the website. Thanks for the fun there, Oliver brother, you got some last notes for these fun people? This portion of the audio is available for Discord and Patreon supporters only. Check this episode's show notes for more information on how to become a supporter to unlock this content, and much more. There you go. If you were here to deal with the microphone issues, you get that code. There you go. 51:54.916 --> 52:02.942 You know, Rob, you should buy him a new microphone just for being a dickwod last week when we had him on, and you're going, your microphone sucks. 52:03.006 --> 52:03.934 Your microphone sucks. 52:03.982 --> 52:06.062 And he goes, I'm trying. And you go, it still sucks. 52:06.126 --> 52:11.590 When Oliver hears sultry voice on this recording, he's going to just. You know what? Rob's was right. 52:11.660 --> 52:12.642 He does sound sexy. 52:12.706 --> 52:16.566 I'm glad I waited. That's what he's not. 52:16.588 --> 52:19.610 I'm not. There was no rush. Getting the audio right was right. 52:19.680 --> 52:20.300 Yeah. 52:20.910 --> 52:30.266 And now when you do sexy videos and stuff, it'd be even better. Some of those microphones have like, a Barry white filter on it. 52:30.368 --> 52:35.360 Yeah. Give us a little your Barry White outro before I hit end. 52:36.210 --> 52:39.162 You know what? I'll go a little young gravy action. 52:39.226 --> 52:39.902 There we go. 52:39.956 --> 52:41.082 Minnesota classic. 52:41.146 --> 52:41.614 Let's see. 52:41.652 --> 52:43.300 Minnesota. Let me think. 52:43.750 --> 52:46.062 Yeah. That's beautiful, baby. 52:46.126 --> 52:47.538 Yeah. That's amazing. 52:47.704 --> 52:49.906 That is amazing. Wow. 52:50.008 --> 52:51.060 That is amazing. 52:51.670 --> 52:53.198 You're badonk dunk. 52:53.294 --> 52:53.730 All right. 52:53.800 --> 52:55.750 Makes me want to junk a junk. 52:56.570 --> 53:24.718 We'll catch you next time. Bye. Thanks, guys, for listening to the podcast. Please go to your favorite place where podcasts are found, whether it be Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, wherever they can be found. Like subscribe, subscribe. And make sure you get push notifications directly to your phone so you don't miss great content like this. 53:24.804 --> 53:26.522 We all want it tight as an STD. 53:26.586 --> 53:29.374 I want what? 53:29.412 --> 53:30.122 The butt sex? 53:30.186 --> 53:32.026 I hope that they pinched him on the knee. 53:32.138 --> 53:33.162 No, I'm still confused. 53:33.226 --> 53:33.962 Trim your bush. 53:34.026 --> 53:35.038 I hate you people. 53:35.124 --> 53:41.134 So slap them around a little bit. Check out their junk. You know what I'm going to get you for Christmas? I'm going to get you handrails installed in my ass because you ride me so hard. 53:41.172 --> 53:42.350 That guy's got issues. 53:42.420 --> 53:43.370 Don't be a Debbie downer.