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Hey Marty.
It's good to be here. We, we had a great day yesterday with WWDC. We had, it was a very interesting presentation. So I hope everybody has had a chance to unpack all of the crazy news. And we did a podcast on that live that will be coming out on iacast soon and we'll do a big panel discussion this weekend to unwrap all, unravel all this WWDC stuff and it's going to be fantastic. So yeah, that's what's been going on.
Cool. Thanks, Michael. And we're happy to have you with us. And with that all being said, the question of the day is, did you watch the WWDC keynote or read about it and hear all the new things that they're going to be implementing with Siri? And what is your thoughts on that? So if you got to check that out and you have any thoughts on the what's coming in the near future with Siri and all of those changes, let us know your thoughts. And as always, we got Michael Babcock with us. How you doing, Michael?
I'm doing good, Marty. Are you excited about Siri?
We'll see as we get closer to how it actually works when it comes out.
So I am not as excited about Siri as others might be because I don't have an iPhone 15 Pro or pro max. So I am excited about iOS 18 and what some blind users who have done the beta and know I have not installed the beta yet have discovered slash learned. One of the first things that I want to mention, and then we'll get into an overview and take your questions and comments, is that there is now a voiceover tutorial when you first start voiceover. So I think that's going to be amazing to help people who are interested in using voiceover who've never used it before. So super excited about that. But I think what I'm more excited about is braille screen input has become a thousand times more useful. If you're a user of BSI and you like to type in braille on the screen of your iPhone, you can now navigate your phone and go like to the top of the window and you can flick to the right with your braille screen input commands and you can also set it so BSI comes up when you first open the keyboard. So super probably going to install the beta this week and be happy to play with that this morning. Unusually, we did published something on a Tuesday before the call in relation to the blind girl designs announcements. It's called partnering with blind Girl Designs. Announcing a special announcement. Well, I think you know what it is now because we talked about it and then really, really interesting story that Tricia has and if you're interested in hearing that, go check that interview out that Marty did with her yesterday on technically working. Damasi and I talked about our predictions for actually, we talked more about our predictions for how we're going to manipulate and navigate this summer with betas and probably switching over to Android so we can run the betas on our phone, although I've heard it's a little bit more stable than anticipated. Yesterday I also posted digital bytes. I'm in the process of moving and things kind of got off. So that did not come out Sunday, but it was published yesterday morning. Chris talks about chirp audiobooks, where you can get discounted audiobooks and it doesn't require a membership. I shared virtual desktops on Windows eleven. If you want to control what elements or what applications show up in your alt tab order and you need to change that for better productivity and Marty gave you a tip into a tech pouch. So that was pretty cool. On Thursday, Chris shared an episode of her at your fingertips show, which is braille. Then and now. She talked about the braille code debate, you know, UEB or not UEB and summer reading funds. If you're interested in some reading options that are available this summer and ways you can engage and use braille, then check that episode out. Wednesday on the shelf on show, we shared an episode from Adrian talking about increasing and decreasing the playback rate of the podcast player on the blind Shell classic, too. Check that out. That's all the announcements I got right now.
You got one more?
Oh, I do.
Social media.
Oh, yeah. Facebook. We are on Facebook. Thank you, Marty. So if you're interested in joining and checking out Unmute on Facebook, head on over to facebook.com unmute dot community in order to get that. And I want to thank Bell for helping us out with making sure that there's some fresh content published over there and making that stand out. So facebook.com unmute.com munity. Now, Sheila, do we have any hands?
You do. Matthew.
Hey, Matthew.
Hey, what's going on, y'all?
Not too much. How you doing?
I'm good. I just wanted to answer the question of the day. I did watch the two things. I actually watched the WWDC keynote, most of it anyway, and I did it on my iPhone 15 and was able to. What was really cool is they have audio description on it. So that was really cool. I missed a lot. I did read up on it, although I missed the part about iOS or Mac OS 15, which is quite interesting. And I'm, what really surprises me on that, on the Mac OS 15 is the fact that it supports the older Macs of 2018, the Mac Mini, which is the intel based one I've got that was a little surprising considering that it's quite old. But I also have a m one MacBook air, but iOS, I'm kind of interested to see how they go with that voiceover and the like to see what they do with that. I never really was able to get braille screen input accurately, but, you know, when I've used braille, braille keyboards and the like, my understanding with that is you can pretty much do a lot of the commands that you can do. And this is, again, based on some of the stuff I've read that you can do on the keyboard, you know, on the braille keyboard and start typing letters and apps and stuff will come up. It's pretty cool.
Yes, sir. That is correct. And glad to hear that you enjoyed the WWDC. The feature of Mac Os that really intrigues me is being able to remotely control your phone. Unfortunately, you're not going to be able to do that from your intel Mac that is only supported on one. Yeah, exactly.
Impressive, because you know you can use the keyboard.
Yeah.
I'm hoping accessibility is brought in there. I suspect it will be. I'm just interested to see how they implement.
I am. I'm curious about that.
Yes, sir. Well, thanks a lot for that and hope you have a beautiful rest of your day.
Thank you, sir. You too.
Thanks, Sheila. Who do we got next? Hey, Ann.
Hey, Anne.
Can you hear me?
Yes, we hear you.
Okay. You're not going to like calls like this. No. I got a new computer and it worked kind of for a while, but Vispera and Microsoft both can't help me and they're both sending me to each other. And now Microsoft, after calling them twice, they're telling me to call the Microsoft be my eyes. And that's my only option. I mean, it will not read word by word. It's just all kind of problems now and they can't help me.
So if I understand the issue, you're having problems with jaws not reading word by word, is that correct?
Well, it's not reading word by word and it's not. When I try to type something in, it won't type, it, won't read it, and it buzzes when I press a letter, it buzzes in my ear, but it doesn't type the letter.
Ah, okay. So to me, and if Microsoft and Vespero can't help you, number one, I do highly recommend using the be my eyes with Microsoft. And the reason that is is because then they can actually see through your camera and see what's showing on screen. Because to me it sounds like there's an overlay, like a notification or something that has come up on the screen. Uh, typically when it buzzes, that means that you've entered a misspelled word. So I'm not sure why it's not reading back.
No, it's just the first letter I enter buzzes, but it doesn't enter the letter.
Interesting. Yeah. At this point, I would have you tried to be my eyes with Microsoft?
Not this time. I've done it in the past. Because you have to hold the phone up with one hand and try to type with the other and then put the phone down and type something and hold it back up. It's just a little more trouble.
I mean, it is a little bit of trouble. I don't know if it's, if you have a sighted person that comes by that knows anything about computers. Okay, then yeah, unfortunately, that would be your only option at this point, Ann.
But I mean, a sighted person that knows computers wouldn't know Jaws.
So, I mean, they wouldn't know Jaws, but they would be able to tell you if there's something over the current document. And that's why Jaws isn't reading to you. And that's what I suspect is probably happening is there's a notification that's showing up. You can try Jaws key space and then z, and that will reset your jaws to default alternate settings and see if then it reads as expected. But again, I don't think it will because it sounds like there's a notification or overlay that's coming up over your screen.
But Microsoft be my eyes, do you think could help me?
Yeah. Yeah. Because they be able to see what's going on and they be able to tell you what you could be running into.
Okay, I will try that now.
Yeah, let us know. And because I'd love to hear back and see how things are going. And thanks for your call. And we don't hate tech calls like that. It's always interesting. Sheila, who do we got next?
Nikki, do we have somebody in clubhouse? We do. Yes, we do. We have Herbie.
Hello, Herbie.
Herbie.
Herbie, we don't hear you.
I don't hear him either. Where is he?
He's got to unmute. Well, while Herbie is working on that, why don't.
It says he's unmuted, so I don't know.
So he's having audio issues on his end. So we'll go to the next call and Herbie can work that out. Sheila, who do we got next?
Beth. And that's Beth.
Th. Hello, Beth.
Hey, Beth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a problem with my phone on, on Sunday and that was when I was going to my music. Well, actually, actually, I wanted to shut down my music and it wouldn't shut down. Well, finally, no, no, I was listening to my music and it's almost like, you know how it kind of beeps when you're going to dictate something? It kept doing that. And then later when I tried to shut down my music, it kept playing this, that song. And then it kept playing it like, you know, how, how, you know, sometimes the cd will, will skip. Well, this wasn't a cd. This was something I downloaded on my, off my itunes into the music app and then it wouldn't shut down. And. And, you know, I did, did the app switcher and everything. And then when I finally shut it down and it still played, but then later, it kind of fixed itself. So I don't know why it does that. I never had that before.
Yeah, I've never had that before. And, Beth, when I run into those situations, I use a tip that Marty shared with us, oh, two years ago, and that is that you can press and hold the button, the home button, to invoke Siri and just say, restart this phone, and Siri will restart the phone. That'll shut everything down and then come back up. So you can enter your pin and sign into your phone if you have one. And then that should solve that issue. You shouldn't have to do it too often. Unfortunately, technology can be glitchy in some instances, so that's what I would have tried.
Yeah.
You'd be surprised how many issues just rebooting your phone actually solves.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I have a problem with double, double tap timeout. I don't know if I can, you know, because I tried to switch it. It said 2 seconds. I wanted to switch it, you know, because every time I touched, I barely touched something. And then it says what I don't want it to say.
Yes. Probably said .2 seconds and not 2 seconds, because 2 seconds would give you plenty of time to double tap.
Yeah. Said point to, I think.
Yep. So what you want to do is it sounds like you know where you need to go. You can go into your voiceover settings, and then towards the very bottom is the double tap timeout toggle. And you can tap in there and then configure it to what you would prefer. What I have found with a lot of users is 0.5 seconds seems to make it so they work. If you need a little bit longer than go ahead and set that to 0.75 seconds. But that should work well for you just by changing that up. Okay.
Okay. So I can't put, like, when it's an increment and decrement, that's what I didn't understand.
So increment will increase the length of time. So it'll take it from .2 to. .3 so you want to double tap on increment a couple of times, and that will increase that time. Decrement will decrease. D for decrease.
Okay. Okay. I'll try that.
Perfect, Beth.
Thank you.
And I'm going to go ahead and check to see if Herbie can be heard in.
Herbie is in the room now. So, Herbie, go ahead. You've got your. All right.
Can you hear me now?
Yes, sir.
Okay, so, Nikki, check your messages because you have a clubhouse issue going on there.
But I replied back to you because actually, I couldn't hear you on my phone either. So it's weird.
Okay, that is weird. But anyway.
Oh, sorry, Herbie, I was trying to lower your hand on you.
I was trying to lower my hand, too. So it's all good. I know you love me, Sheila. It's all good. First you can't hear me, and then when you can't hear me, now you want to shut me up.
Exactly.
So I'm, you know, because, like, right now I've been kind of holding out myself. Like, I'm still on my iPhone 13. And so, you know, to answer the question about Siri, I'm like, do I want to upgrade to the 16 this year? I've just not been. I know the world at large has, and I'm just in the minority that's not been excited about the switch over to USB C because I have so many lightning adapters that it's like, you know, I'm gonna have to, you know, reinvest in, you know, using the third party adapter or getting more USB C adapters. So I've been kind of. What's one reason? I've been holding off on upgrading till the last possible moment. But, yeah, now that series making some changes, part of me is like, okay, do I want to upgrade when the 16 comes out or do. Do I want to wait and see what everybody else's experiences are and maybe wait a year and upgrade to the 17? So that's kind of where I'm at right now with the whole Siri thing. I'll tell you one thing that I was struck by yesterday because I really heard some. I forgot we've gotten some questions about this. An eye bug. And that is the fact that you can now be able to take the flashlight out of the control center, the lock screen.
Yep.
I think that is a big deal, especially for people that do not have light perception and may miss the notification that the flashlight is on. So that's really good that Apple is doing that. So those are just my thoughts on WWDC. And do we know, like, what Siri functions are going to require the new iPhones, or is it just anything new to do with it that, you know, it's going to require the new iPhones?
I'm going to ask Michael D if he has any comments on that. Michael I'd also like you to tell us if you have removed your flashlight and put the magnifier on there. I think you were talking about doing that.
You know, I have not removed it yet. I'm kind of on the fence if I'm going to put the magnifier there or a shortcut, because there's a lot of possibilities there. Yeah, you could put a short. You could put open app or shortcut there, which even can possibly. You can do a menu. So that will be in, you know, so many things. The same with the action button. You know, there's so many different things that you can do with the iPhone 15 and now with that option as well. Can you guys still hear me?
Yep.
Okay, good.
There's so many different things that you can do there. And I want to circle back real quick before I mention that one of the things that I'm most excited about is the passwords app that we got yesterday. Because you can create groups and share those groups with other people. So it kind of replaces one password for me because of those features. You can share the groups with people and have vaults and two fas in those. So that's really where it's nice. But the, as far as the Siri features, it's anything with an iPhone with a 17 Pro chip, which is the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max and anything with an M series. And they're calling this Apple intelligence that will take advantage of these. It will be partially on device and partially secure Macs in the cloud, basically, that run in Apple data centers. They're not using other hardware to use Siri with. They're using all Apple hardware, Apple silicon chips in the cloud, which is fantastic. And then, you know, they're also going to work out with chat GPT. So at the current time, there's talk other models will be coming, like Gemini later on, but it's going to be a three tiered system, and you'll be able to pick basically how all of this works for you and your personal context, as they're calling this. So there's a lot of functionalities that are coming to this. I told people on a call we were doing yesterday, Apple is doing this. Right?
So to answer Herbie's question, I don't know that we'll know all of the restrictions that Siri will have. Siri is still going to work on all of the older devices, but if you want to use any of the Apple intelligence, see what they did with AI, then you'll want to have that iPhone 15 Pro or 15 Pro Max.
And it might be kind of like if you all remember before we had Siri, we had the voice dial feature on the iPhone. And I have a feeling we're going to have the new Siri interface than the old Siri interface where it has like what it is now. And so I kind of feel like it'll be kind of like that, that voice dial feature that we had before Siri, it's.
Or like the iPhone four s. Slash, wasn't there a period where some. Well, the iPhone four s and the four, that Siri was on the four s and was not on the four, so. Right, like what Michael was talking about where you had that voice dial on the fourth. But some users had Siri, which was a smarter voice style at the beginning. So thanks for your question today, Herbie. Appreciate your help. Michael. Sheila, who do we got next?
Bobby.
Hey Bobby.
Okay, am I unmuted?
Yes sir, you are.
Okay. This is my little dilemma. Michael, I want to thank you so much for guiding me in the right direction with this. Now that I found the answer to my blind shell and tagging music, I would like to know if there's any free piece of software that would do id three tagging because some of my music is not an id three tags. So if you could think of a bulk id three piece of software. You said, michael, that somebody might know of a piece of software on the call. So you know. And also, Michael, when you do your shell phone show, could you please mention it on your shelf? On shelf. Nobody knows it here.
Certainly, Bobby. Appreciate that and thank you for the reminder. I totally forgot to ask people. So if you know of a tool, I know there's one for Windows. The name is just escaping me that can be used to bulk edit mp3 id three tags so Bobby's artists and albums and titles will show up in the blind shell classic two music player, please let us know. And Bobby, if someone stick around and maybe someone will have an answer for you. Sheila, who do we got next?
Julianna Bell.
Hey, Juliana Bell.
Hello.
There you are. Yes, ma'am.
Okay, well I guess I'm going to display my ignorance, but what is WWDC? I think I went to that a few months ago or maybe last year. Was that the apple?
It's worldwide developer conference. Apple pulls it on every year in June.
Okay. I must have, I think I attended it last year and just didn't forgot about the name and all of that. And another thing, I am still so confused with all of the sites that you have that unmute and so, and so on and on and on. So many, many, many sites. And I went to the YouTube site, and now the name escapes me right now, but I enjoyed something and, and commented about it on the blind shell list. I think it was the blind shell list, but it was a YouTube site, and it seems. Oh, it's. It was Adrian's. A talk about one of his talks. I cannot remember which one right now. But anyway, I commented about it and how much I appreciated. He really is so knowledgeable. But anyway, I don't know where to go. So bell so many sites, and everything.
Starts at Unmute show. That's the only site you need to remember. Unmute show has links to everything that you can get to. So we've tried to make it simple, and we are adding some more stuff to that site. So that is evolving. It is a changing site. There's a link to login or, or to sign up for club membership. There's all the details about that there. So again, unmute show is the only site to remember.
Okay.
And you can get your content there. Michael Doyze has a website called iacast that you can get to. We need to add a link there. But right now, all you need to do is remember unmute show.
Okay, well, thank you.
No worries. Hope that helps you out and appreciate you listening and your support. You are amazing. Sheila, who do we got next? Triple G. Hey, triple gggg. You are muted, Greg.
Okay. Wasn't wanting me to unmute there on the.
I think you muted again.
I think you did mute. There you go.
Now we can hear you.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Can you hear me now?
Yes. You're good.
Cool. So I just wanted to share, first of all, that this is my first of hearing anything about the WWDC event yesterday. And I'm interested in the Siri things, though, and what new commands you might be able to, you know, talk to Siri about. I'm still hoping that Siri in 17 will let it tell you a joke. And because Siri's jokes are sometimes not all the time, but sometimes funny. Anyway, my question for you came at the beginning of the show. I've heard braille screen input talked about a lot, and I don't know what it is. And I do have a fine motor disability. I'm wondering if braille screen input on my phone would be accessible with my fine motor disability. So could you briefly explain what it is or maybe a resource that I could learn more about?
So brief explanation, and then I'll tell you where you can learn more. Although I suspect when I tell you, you already know what I'm talking about. So braille screen input is a way for you to use all six fingers, your three middle fingers on your left and right hand, and either place your phone on a table in front of you. This is called tabletop mode. Or hold your phone with the screen facing away from you, resting on your pinkies. This is called screen away mode and then you can use your six finger to input text and its current iteration. That's the limitation of it. To input text using either UEB or the one that I always forget that came before UEB and and enter braille either grade one or grade two using your fingers. I don't know if it is something that with your motor disability you would be able to do with your hands. It's something you'd have to experiment with. And to learn more, I recommend going to appleviz.com and typing in braille screen input in the search. You'll get some great tutorials and demonstrations of it.
And if anyone's interested in finding out all about the WWDC, you can go to Apple's website, apple.com and they have a replay of the entire thing which.
Was about 2 hours with audio description.
Oh awesome. Thank you very much guys.
No worries.
Have a great day.
Sheila, who do we got next?
Sharon.
Hey Sharon.
Sharon, you're still muted.
I have access to Uber at our new house, which is fun. Sharon, you're still muted. Let's go to the next one.
Let's go to Nolan.
Hey Nolan.
Hello everyone.
Great. And yourself?
Good, thank you. So he listened to the WWDC event yesterday. And funny enough, I am still listening because I started experiencing some excitement in me. But I am not going to be doing any beta testing anytime soon of iOS 18. But when it does come out, I will be checking the final release when it comes out in September because I am intriguingly funny enough excited to check out the new voiceover tutorial in the fall. I'm really excited to see what that's going to look like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Android has had that on Talkback forever. So I'm super excited that Apple has brought it. And like you, I'm excited to check it out even though I've been using voiceover for 14 years.
Oh yeah. I'm also really. I'm really excited to see new voiceover voices I've heard that's going to be coming to iOS 18. It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm excited to see what they're going to be bringing and sadly enough, they're taking away. I don't know if this is true or not, but what I have heard is that the green and blue bubbles are going away. And I was 18, I'm not sure if that's true.
I don't think they're going away. And Michael D. May have some input on this. I don't think they're going away. But Apple did announce very quickly in like 2 seconds that they are going to support RCs, which means that instead of it being basic text messages, you'll have higher quality communication between iPhone and Android devices via. That's correct. Yep. So I don't think the bubbles are going away.
The bubbles aren't changing.
Yeah. They're just adding more functionality to.
This is going to be fun. I really can't wait. And I also just found out that there's also going to be a sms via satellite.
Yep. That is new for phones that support it. And it's not just limited to emergency sms's. So that'll be fun to check out too. And thanks.
Yeah. And I'm really, I'm really excited. And also, please check your email because I sent you guys an email yesterday.
Perfect. I will check that out. I have not been on email for about three days because of the move, but I will get back to you here shortly. So thanks a lot, Nolan. Hold on, Marty, sharing you're here. Let Marty remind people what the question is and then we'll take your questions. So go ahead.
Oh, sorry. I came back in. Sorry.
Yep. Gotcha.
Actually, what I was going to say was I got a couple of suggestions for the person on the blind shell who's looking for an MP3 tag manager. So two suggestions were one is called ICMP, three tag. And the second one is, what is this other one? I think it's called about media media tag is what it looks like.
Okay. So I see MP3 tag or about media media tag are two that you can check out, see if those work for you and hopefully that'll work out. Sharon, let's go to your question.
Sure. First, a thought for Anne. She was talking about be my eyes with Microsoft. If she could manage to call Microsoft help desk, that would be helpful because they could do a quick assist and get on the computer also, if that's possible.
I suspect they tried that because Microsoft told her to call via be my eyes. But I think the, the problem that she is having is preventing her from actually entering the code that quick assist has given her.
That may be true. Okay. So my thought about WWEC is, you know, I have an se three, so I know that, that the Siri changes will not work on that. I would be happy if Siri would behave basically better than it does now, and I hope that will be the case. My question is, the phone that I have, when I record a voicemail on it, it comes out very muffled. I mean, people can understand it, but it sounds like I'm in a. Can.
You mean like on voice memos or do you mean like a phone call?
If they call my phone and get my voicemail, it just sounds really. And I, you know, I don't. All I do is go into, you know, customized greeting and record. Nothing fancy.
But when you're recording, are you holding your phone like you normally would when you're flicking through, or do you bring your phone to your head like you would when you're on a phone conversation?
I don't know which would be the better way to do it because I.
Think what's happening is you're. You're hold. You're probably holding your phone like you normally would when you're using it. So.
All right.
I hold mine in my right hand that's covering the microphone. So that's why it's, if you bring your phone to your head like you're making a phone call and then record your voice greeting, I think it'll be a lot clearer for people.
Oh, all right. Thank you so much.
No worries. Give that a try.
All right. Bye bye, Janet.
Hey, Janet.
Hello. My question is, I did check out a little bit of the WWDC. What versions of the phones won't it, won't 18 work on?
It's twelve or it's older than twelve. Correct, Michael.
IOS 18 will work on all of the same phones that 17 has worked on. So I believe that is the XR and xs and above, if I'm not mistaken.
Okay, so doesn't include the AI, the Apple intelligence.
Right. So it will work on the SE two then?
Yes, correct. Yes, it will.
I think there might be a program called MP3 Tagger. I believe he could check out.
Perfect.
There used to be one. Yeah, back in the day. I don't know if it's still around.
That's the thing. I think the last time I had to tag MP3 is, was in the early two thousands when Kazaa and I were friends. We won't talk about that. Thank you. Statue of limitations, but appreciate there, Jan, and have a good day as well.
Greg?
Hey, Greg?
Hey, Greg, can you hear me? Yep. We can hear you.
Okay. What was, what was the question? I came in late.
The question of the day is, did you watch WWDC? And if you did, what are your thoughts on the new stuff? Apple, Apple intelligence, all the new iOS, any of that stuff?
I typically don't make a big effort to watch WWDC or, you know, the September 1. Mainly go to Jonathan Mosin's podcast afterwards because he kind of gives more of a blind view of, you know, what's coming. But then, like, I have an iPhone question. The problem I have is when I send an audio file to somebody that has an iPhone, they claim that when they, they tap on it out of, I guess, iMessage, and they said it'll start to play, but then it'll stop. So what I told him was I thought that possibly the, the auto lock was kicking on. So I told him to go into this settings display and change, you know, their 32nd timeout to like a five minute. And they still claimed that, you know, they'll start to, you know, if I use overcast, I do share. I send the entire file, and when they click on it, it'll play for a little bit, but then, you know, it stops. So I told them what I thought was wrong. I said, well, tell them. Just touch the screen once in a while just to keep it awake. Awake. And they said, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. What do you think is happening? Because I don't really have that problem with using voiceover.
Sometimes when you share a file out of an app, like, you know, any of them, like Spotify or Apple Music or any of the podcast players, a lot of times it will only play a portion of it because then it wants you to go and either play it from its direct link, either from the website or from the app internally. So it's not out of the ordinary for it to only play a little bit of something. I mean, sometimes it'll play the whole thing, but sometimes it only plays a little bit of something. And then it wants you to actually go to the actual source of the link, which if that's either on the website, in the podcast app, or a podcast app, or in Spotify or Apple Music or any of those kind of.
Things, I used to send them the links to those, but then they would get upset because they said, well, where's it. Where's this taking me? You know, they see something happening. So that's when I started. That's why I just send them the, the entire file. But then I was just trying to see what would be a workaround for that.
The other, the other issue could also be that if he's playing it over your cellular data, that it might keep stopping because his data is not catching up with the audio. So it plays a little, then it pauses to try and catch up, and then it'll play a little more and then it'll pause to try and catch up. That could be something. Also, if his Wi Fi or his cellular data is slow, that could be a thing.
Right.
Okay.
Thanks a lot. And what do we got next there, Sheila?
Stacey.
Hey, Stacey.
I had trying to decide, you know, what to buy at the, on the former hymns. I think they changed their name now and I can't even, I don't know how they, what their new, I don't know they changed their name. But anyway, for the braille sense stuff. But what they've, what they've done is they've created another thing is they call it emotion, I think. And I don't know why they've done it. I can't figure out why they created that one. Can you enlighten me why they've done that?
I can't tell you why, because I don't know why people do things. I will say, and the new company name is Selvis Selvas. And what, what they have done is they have released the hims e dash motion or the hims emotion. I don't have as many details about that device as maybe I should. I recommend if you go to selvas.com or hims Dash inc.com does still take you to their website. So if thats easier for you to remember because thats what I typed in, then you can go there and get more information about the device. And I believe they have a webinar that theyve done in the past about it as well.
Yeah, I dont see why they told me that. If I still want to access where the web more standard, you need to get the braille sense six.
Yes.
I don't know why they created that other one. I'm trying to find out information on why they've done that.
I think the reason they did it is to offer a lower cost option for people who just want a braille display that has some very limited functionality. It is not as full featured as the sense six is, though. So if you want the capability of browsing the web and installing that, they.
Could have, they could have actually gotten just the braille sense. You two okay. You know?
Yeah.
I don't know why they created the, you know, motion thing. I don't understand that because a browse since six, we did the same darn thing.
Well, that's what they have done. And that, I mean, you don't have to buy it. That's just what the company has created. And appreciate your comments there, Stacy. And I'm sure you've let them know that as well, correct?
Yeah, I'm confused as to why they've done it. You know, I'm, I'm perplexed and perfect.
Well, I can't help with that perplexity for sure, because I, as I said, I don't know why they did it. That to provide a lower cost option is, is what I understand. So appreciate it, Stacey. I'm going to go to the next hand because we do have about a couple of minutes left. So, Sheila, who do we got next?
Laurie.
Hey, Lori, thanks for calling in.
Hi, guys. So I did not attend the WWDC thing, but if it comes on the podcast, maybe I can listen to it on my phone or whatever. But as far as Siri behaving herself, I'm not happy with what she does. When I ask her to send a text message to a friend of mine, she'll, she'll start the process and then all of a sudden she'll just stop, you know? So I've resorted to dictation in the messaging app and I'm having a lot of fun with that. So. But my question is, and I'll try to make it short. Like me, I'm trying to deselect accessibility shortcuts. I don't remember why I chose it when I did, and I don't remember what I chose it for, comma, but now I'm trying to unselect or deselect it. And whenever I go to the control center, it says selected accessibility shortcuts. So I'm trying to eliminate that from the control center and I'm having the hardest time doing it. So any suggestions?
If you go into your settings and you go to control center, you're going to see there's a top and a bottom section. If you remove it from the top section, you'll hear a little remove. You find it in the top section. If you listen for what you're looking for, and then there'll be a remove, it'll move it down to the bottom section. And once you do that, it won't show up in the control center anymore.
Oh, that's good. Tell me that again.
You go to settings, then you go to control center.
Control center.
And then once you're in there, you're going to see there's the top half. The things up at the top half are the things that are in your control center. If you want to remove it, you find the thing you want to remove and there'll be a remove button or you can flick up or down like a single finger flick up or down until you hear remove. And then it will, you select that and remove it from being in the control center. And then once you remove it from that top section, when you go back to the control center, it will no longer show up there.
Okay. Because what's happening is, and this happened to me several times, is I go to deselected from the control center when I swipe up with three fingers and what's happening is it turns voiceover off. So then I have to ask Siri to turn it back on again. And that's the only thing she does correctly lately. So then I have to, then what.
You need to do is you need to do what Marty was saying and go into settings in the go to control center and then you can remove it and it won't show up as selected in your control center. So you're trying to deselect it when you three finger flip, click up. And that's actually the wrong place to do it. It's doing what it's supposed to do and that's turning off your accessibility feature for in that toggle. So go into settings control center, find where it says accessibility shortcut at the top, flick down to remove and then double tap. And that will remove that from showing up in your control center.
Nice. What's happening is it turns voice over off and then I struggle to turn voiceover back on. So it's, you know, and voiceover has become my friend. Well, Siri, not so much.
We get that for sure. So thanks. Thanks, Laurie. I'm going to take this last hand, this next page.
Thanks much.
Couple minutes left. Who do we got next there? Sheila?
Nora.
Hey, Nora. Thanks for your patience.
You're welcome. Thank you. Hi. I cannot join, I cannot go to the WDC. Quite interested. But anyway, my question, I have a computer called Gateway, I think Gateway and I want to know how to upgrade it from Windows seven to Windows seven or seven.
So you're looking to update your gateway from Windows seven, your gateway computer from Windows seven to eleven or ten, is that correct?
Yeah.
So chances are your Windows seven gateway computer is not compatible with Windows eleven because Windows eleven has some specific hardware requirements and I don't know if you can upgrade to Windows ten because Windows ten is losing support next year. So what I would do in your case, Nora, is maybe search for Windows ten upgrade on, on Google or reach out to the disability answer desk and find out if Microsoft has a path you can follow. But what might be faster and more convenient. I know it'll cost a little bit, but it'll get you a modern day computer with Windows eleven already installed on it is reach out to computers for the blind. They do a great job at providing computers that will come with assistive technology already installed and configured. And more importantly, what I think is valuable is you have a great team of trainers that will provide you access to training material and weekly classes to teach you how to use jaws with Windows eleven. And that's included in the cost slash investment of the computer from computers for the blind. So. So to be frank with you, I would look at it donating that Windows seven computer maybe, or recycling it and just getting a newer, modern day computer from computers for the blind. Marty's been pretty happy with his. I have to pick one up from them as well. And, and a tip. I'm not saying that they will because I don't know that, but last summer, they had a great deal at the convention, uh, even for a virtual attendee. So it might be worth waiting for the convention to see if something comes around as well.
Right. Thank you. And one thing, I have to have someone. I have to have someone siding to help me out. And how much does it cost?
How much does the computer cost?
Yeah, they have various different options. You should give them a call. There's a number that you can call. I would suggest if you call there, ask for Marcy. She's really great. She'll take the time to explain everything to you in detail and explain to you as well how to upgrade the options. There's upgrade options if you want to do that. And there's also discounts you can get through grants that she can tell you if you're eligible for any of those as well. So your best option would be to call and talk to Marcy and have her walk you through the process, and then you can go from there.
And, Nora, if it helps, I will. I will read it here. I don't know if that'll help you with it, but you can call them at 214-340-6328 and you can get that phone number@computersfortheblind.org. dot.
All I have to do. Put down the church on your computer for the blind.org, right?
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.
Yeah, thanks.
You're welcome.
Good luck.
Thank you.
Looks like we're out of hands.
It is just on time.
Yeah.
All right, everyone, we're going to stop a little early because we have something coming right after this. I believe that's games to play with lady a, so go check that out. Also, I want to thank Nikki and sheila for helping us out, as always, and keeping us running smooth and all the things. So thanks to the both of you. If you guys want to check out anything that we got going on outside of here, you can check out our website at Unmute dot show. And if you want to email us with any questions, comments, or anything else, you can email us at feedback at unmute show. Everyone, have a great weekend. We'll see you next time.
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