WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.000 Hey there guys, and welcome back to "Mysteries of the Mind," a true crime podcast hosted by myself, Daphne St Clair-- --and me., 00:06.000 --> 00:07.000 Preston Knight. 00:07.000 --> 00:13.000 Today we're diving even deeper into the case of Doctor Love, a psychiatrist at a rural 00:13.000 --> 00:16.000 Philadelphia asylum, who ran away with one of her patients. 00:17.000 --> 00:23.000 We here at "Mysteries of the Mind" have gotten our hands on never before seen records that the asylum had tried, and has now failed, to bury. 00:23.000 --> 00:27.000 We're discussing the doctor, who we now know to be Doctor Audrey 00:27.000 --> 00:32.000 Ann Burnett-- --and her patient-turned- -lover, Hazel Mary Finley-- --and how their relationship developed. 00:32.000 --> 00:37.000 Last week, we delved into the blossoming of their relationship, even hearing their first kiss on tape. 00:37.000 --> 00:42.000 This week, we dig deeper into Hazel's mystery illness, and Doctor Burnett's psyche. 00:42.000 --> 00:43.000 Stay tuned! 00:58.000 --> 01:02.000 Maya Appavoo presents: Doctor Love. An audio drama. 01:02.000 --> 01:05.000 Episode four: "Clinically Unstable." 01:06.000 --> 02:07.000 A full list of themes, topics, and content warnings can be found in the episode description. (couch squeaking, clearing throat) Alright, guys, time for our favorite segment, 02:07.000 --> 02:09.000 Mindful Musings! 02:09.000 --> 02:15.000 This is the part of the episode, uh, where we take your guys's questions and food for thought, and answer and discuss. 02:15.000 --> 02:16.000 Alright, 02:16.000 --> 02:18.000 Shall we? We shall. 02:18.000 --> 02:23.000 Alrighty, first up, @Dara asked, "LOL, do you guys even like each other?" (laughing together) 02:25.000 --> 02:25.000 Oh no. 02:25.000 --> 02:26.000 Okay. 02:26.000 --> 02:32.000 So for those who don't know, Preston and I met in school, years ago, and we've been very close friends ever since. 02:32.000 --> 02:34.000 That's why we started a podcast! 02:34.000 --> 02:41.000 I think this commenter is maybe getting at the fact that we challenge each other a good amount, I would say. 02:41.000 --> 02:41.000 Yeah, 02:41.000 --> 02:44.000 I think, you know, maybe I challenge you more, but, you know, like, sure. Sure. 02:44.000 --> 02:54.000 Anyways, yes, we like each other, no, there's no blad-- bad blood or animosity, you know, just a healthy amount of friction to keep each other checked and balanced. (chuckling) 02:56.000 --> 02:57.000 Okay, um... 02:57.000 --> 02:58.000 Alright, next question. 02:58.000 --> 02:59.000 Sure. 02:59.000 --> 03:11.000 This one is from Ikaros, one of our beloved Patreon supporters, they asked, "Daphne, would you be able to give us some context for the time we skipped over last episode? 03:11.000 --> 03:20.000 There were weeks or months between clips, and I'm curious if there's anything we missed with that, especially in regards to Hazel's antidepressants. 03:20.000 --> 03:21.000 Love the podcast!" 03:21.000 --> 03:24.000 That's a great question, thank you. Ikaros. 03:24.000 --> 03:28.000 So, Hazel was on a whole bunch of different tricyclic antidepressants, and-- Oh, 03:28.000 --> 03:29.000 Interesting, huh. Yeah, 03:29.000 --> 03:35.000 I hadn't named them all because, frankly, those notes are kind of boring, and from what I can tell, they're not medications that are really used anymore, so-- 03:35.000 --> 03:38.000 Well, you know, if I can speak to that for a moment-- 03:38.000 --> 03:38.000 Sure. 03:38.000 --> 03:45.000 You see, tricyclic antidepressants are really interesting because they were very effective. 03:45.000 --> 03:56.000 You know, the--the common belief is that the meds we don't use anymore are out of circulation because they didn't work, but TCAs, which is just the abbreviation, worked very well. 03:56.000 --> 04:00.000 You know, they work sort of the same as SSRIs, which are what we use now, 04:01.000 --> 04:07.000 But TCAs had a tendency, you know, as we witnessed with Hazel, to cause some pretty, intense side effects. 04:07.000 --> 04:10.000 Oh, fascinating, so, wait, is it possible that the reason 04:10.000 --> 04:18.000 Hazel felt so bad isn't because she didn't have depression, but instead because the meds made her feel so bad that it was genuinely better not to be on them? 04:18.000 --> 04:20.000 Uh, no. 04:20.000 --> 04:28.000 I mean, no, they were effective, but, like, you know, clearly not for Hazel, you know, which means she likely didn't have depression. 04:29.000 --> 04:30.000 Um, anyway, I interrupted. 04:31.000 --> 04:32.000 Um, here, you can go ahead and answer the question. 04:32.000 --> 04:38.000 Oh, right, so, um, most of the clips from that time period were, like, honestly, pretty lackluster. 04:38.000 --> 04:41.000 I tried, when I was selecting journal entries and clips, to make sure 04:41.000 --> 04:53.000 I was showing you guys the actual important stuff, and Hazel sitting there talking about a headache and Doctor Burnett taking notes about it wasn't very important, in my opinion, but more of those materials will be made available over on our Patreon at the end of the season, as per usual! (panting) 04:53.000 --> 04:57.000 Okay, last one is kind of a sillier one. 04:58.000 --> 05:05.000 Uh, so, if you were tuned in last week, you'll know that Daphne brutally shamed me, a gay man, for never having a girlfriend. (chuckling) 05:07.000 --> 05:16.000 So, Holly, another one of our Patreon supporters, asked "Daphne, have you ever had a girlfriend?" (laughing) Holly, are you flirting with me? 05:16.000 --> 05:18.000 My DMs are open. (laughing) 05:20.000 --> 05:22.000 No, but like, in all seriousness, 05:22.000 --> 05:32.000 I don't-- I don't really want to talk about my personal love life on the show, but, like, uh... it exists. 05:32.000 --> 05:33.000 Uh, yeah, 05:33.000 --> 05:34.000 I'll say that much. 05:34.000 --> 05:36.000 All right, that's it for Mindful Musings this week. 05:37.000 --> 05:42.000 If you have questions for us, comment them wherever you find us on the internet, and we might just answer it! 05:54.000 --> 05:58.000 So, getting into this week's topics, we were going to discuss Doctor 05:58.000 --> 05:59.000 Burnett's psyche a bit more. 06:00.000 --> 06:06.000 Mhm, so we haven't touched on this much as of yet, so what do you, or --what if-- have you gathered up until this point? 06:06.000 --> 06:07.000 Well, you know, 06:07.000 --> 06:12.000 I've touched on a couple of points that I think are worth mentioning again. 06:12.000 --> 06:24.000 You know, I think that Doctor Burnett, as one of the first female psychiatrists of her generation, probably had something to prove, and therefore saw, Ha-- you know, Hazel, as a puzzle she needed to solve. 06:24.000 --> 06:32.000 You know, I'm not saying that's the only way she saw Hazel, but I think that is a facet we have to consider when we're talking about Doctor Burnett. For sure-- 06:32.000 --> 06:42.000 I also think that, Doctor Burnett does, to a certain extent, allow her personal affections for Hazel to get in the ways of codes of conduct and common policies. 06:42.000 --> 06:57.000 You know, I don't think we know what this asylum's policies were-- No, we don't have that-- --but I think we can safely assume, based on Hazel's journal entry about Doctor Burnett, you know, doing things she wasn't technically supposed to be doing, that there were several violations of those policies. 06:57.000 --> 07:00.000 And, I mean, that's why we're studying this case, right? 07:00.000 --> 07:00.000 Like, 07:00.000 --> 07:04.000 I mean, we know things went off the rails, but I'm interested in what prompted 07:04.000 --> 07:07.000 Doctor Burnett to go against hospital policy for Hazel. 07:07.000 --> 07:09.000 You know, there's no evidence that she did that for any other patient. 07:10.000 --> 07:13.000 There's no evidence that, you know, she ever poured this much time and care into another patient. 07:13.000 --> 07:16.000 What about Hazel intrigued her so much? 07:16.000 --> 07:25.000 I think that it's-- It brings me right back to that idea that Hazel is, to a certain extent, an intellectual problem that Doctor Burnett wants to solve. 07:25.000 --> 07:38.000 You know, I mean, right off the bat, she dismisses Hazel's previous diagnosis of schizophrenia, then they spend, you know, how many months testing different antidepressants? Before dismissal-- before dismissing that diagnosis as well. 07:38.000 --> 07:38.000 You know, 07:38.000 --> 07:43.000 I think Doctor Burnett got a thrill out of this, and didn't necessarily want it to end. (breaths out) 07:43.000 --> 07:46.000 Okay. Um, yeah. 07:46.000 --> 07:50.000 On that note, let's get into our first clip. 07:50.000 --> 07:54.000 So this takes place in April of 1952, a couple months later. 07:54.000 --> 07:55.000 So at this point, 07:55.000 --> 08:08.000 Hazel is not on any medications, and does not have an actual diagnosis attached. (click) (chuckling) You know, Hazel, 08:08.000 --> 08:12.000 I used to steal money out of my mom's purse to buy lipstick. 08:13.000 --> 08:16.000 Really? (chuckling) Yes. 08:16.000 --> 08:25.000 Except I didn't want her to see me wearing her new lipstick and wonder how I bought it, so I just bought the same three shades over and over. (laughing) 08:27.000 --> 08:39.000 She had this routine of falling asleep on the couch around 8:00, after she'd clean up dinner, so I'd wait until she was snoring, then go to her purse, and take out the small bills. 08:39.000 --> 08:42.000 The trick was to do a little at a time. 08:42.000 --> 08:45.000 A couple of coins here and there, she'd never think twice about. 08:46.000 --> 08:49.000 I think she thought they'd slipped out of her coin pouch at the store. 08:50.000 --> 08:55.000 God, I'm so glad I'm never having kids. (laughing) Me too. 08:55.000 --> 09:00.000 Oh, well, the real kicker, my first paycheck when I was a resident, 09:00.000 --> 09:03.000 I went out and bought her a lipstick. 09:03.000 --> 09:04.000 But she didn't know why 09:04.000 --> 09:14.000 I was buying her lipstick, so then I had to explain it to her. (giggling) She chased me out of the house. (laughing) Audrey! 09:15.000 --> 09:16.000 Did she ever forgive you? 09:17.000 --> 09:18.000 Oh, 09:18.000 --> 09:20.000 I'm sure, on her deathbed. 09:21.000 --> 09:35.000 She was a good mother like that. (humming) I like seeing you smile, Hazel. (click) (breath in) Do you mind if I start? 09:35.000 --> 09:37.000 No. Go ahead. 09:37.000 --> 09:37.000 You know, 09:37.000 --> 09:46.000 I'd just like to dig in for a moment, into why Doctor Burnett is trying so hard in that clip to make Hazel laugh. Mm. 09:47.000 --> 09:47.000 You know, 09:47.000 --> 09:49.000 I think it could be a couple of things. 09:49.000 --> 09:55.000 You know, circling back, for a moment, to the idea that she may have had something to prove, you know, 09:55.000 --> 09:59.000 I think there's maybe something here about Doctor Burnett needing 09:59.000 --> 10:02.000 Hazel to like her. Yes, you know, 10:02.000 --> 10:08.000 Doctor Burnett would have had something to prove to her colleagues, but doesn't she also have something to prove to her patients? 10:08.000 --> 10:13.000 You know, doesn't she have to convince her patients that she is capable of making them smile again? 10:14.000 --> 10:20.000 Uh, I think that-- Alternatively, it's possible that this is a technique that Doctor Burnett is using. 10:20.000 --> 10:22.000 You know, in in an attempt to pull 10:22.000 --> 10:30.000 Hazel out of her shell more, you know, to encourage Hazel to share more information that could help lead to a diagnosis, you know, 10:30.000 --> 10:37.000 Doctor Burnett is sharing something personal, you know, very personal - vulnerable even - to create the feeling of a safe space. 10:37.000 --> 10:54.000 Then she makes Hazel laugh to disarm her, and it's the perfect recipe to encourage Hazel to share, you know, maybe even overshare, in an effort to learn something that could be helpful. Hmm. (exhales) I'd like to take a stab at a psychological theory here. 10:54.000 --> 10:55.000 Oh, yes, please. 10:55.000 --> 11:00.000 So it's just-- I've heard this word, and-- and 11:00.000 --> 11:02.000 I think it could be relevant here. 11:02.000 --> 11:03.000 Yeah, absolutely, go for it. 11:03.000 --> 11:09.000 I think what Doctor Burnett is doing here is a behavioral term called, you know, and I don't know if you've heard of it-- 11:09.000 --> 11:18.000 Oh, I probably have-- --called "flirting." (Daphne cracks up, cackles) 11:18.000 --> 11:20.000 Ha ha, very funny. 11:20.000 --> 11:21.000 If we're ready to move on, 11:22.000 --> 11:26.000 I have a passage from Hazel's journal I'd like to read. (pages flipping) 11:26.000 --> 11:31.000 Alright, sure. "I think Audrey and I might have something real. 11:31.000 --> 11:36.000 We can't tell anyone about it, for if they knew two women were taking late night strolls through the courtyard, 11:37.000 --> 11:38.000 I don't know what would become of us. 11:39.000 --> 11:44.000 But the stroll we took last night, just the two of us, was the most alive 11:44.000 --> 11:45.000 I've felt in years. 11:45.000 --> 11:47.000 It was perfect. 11:47.000 --> 11:55.000 It was a full moon, so it was beautifully lit up, and there was a breeze, so Audrey had brought me a blanket to wrap around my shoulders. 11:56.000 --> 12:00.000 We walked, and talked, and then we sat under the oak tree. 12:00.000 --> 12:07.000 She put her head on my shoulder, and told me she's never liked a man the way she likes me. 12:08.000 --> 12:12.000 It was a wonder I could hear her over the sound of my own heart pounding. 12:13.000 --> 12:21.000 We sat like that for a while, then she kissed me again, and I... don't know how to describe it. 12:21.000 --> 12:30.000 In some ways it feels very wrong, but at the same time... nobody's ever cared for me like she does." 12:31.000 --> 12:34.000 So that definitely goes against some policy or code. 12:34.000 --> 12:35.000 It does! 12:35.000 --> 12:36.000 I think it's so romantic. 12:37.000 --> 12:41.000 A moonlit stroll in a courtyard? Like, are you kidding me? 12:41.000 --> 12:45.000 So, does Hazel say in her journal entry who invited who on the stroll? 12:45.000 --> 12:49.000 No, but, I mean, we can safely assume it was an off-the-record discussion, right? 12:49.000 --> 12:50.000 I mean, yeah, clearly. You know, 12:50.000 --> 12:53.000 I think it would have been-- it had to have been 12:53.000 --> 13:01.000 Doctor Burnett propositioning her, you know? Like, like, Hazel couldn't have left her room on her own, and when have we ever known her to ask favors of anyone? 13:01.000 --> 13:03.000 That's true, but, well, like, what's your point? 13:03.000 --> 13:09.000 I don't know that I have one, you know, I just think it's worth looking at the relationship from all angles. 13:09.000 --> 13:14.000 You know, I think as the more, for lack of a better word, "credible" between the two, 13:15.000 --> 13:18.000 Doctor Burnett certainly has more freedom to pursue 13:18.000 --> 13:24.000 Hazel, you know. I kind of wonder what prompted her to take Hazel out for that stroll. 13:24.000 --> 13:30.000 I mean, Hazel was off any antidepressant at this point, and clearly not actively in a depressive episode. 13:30.000 --> 13:34.000 But also, hadn't those walks been part of, like, her treatment? 13:34.000 --> 13:35.000 I mean, it could have been that 13:35.000 --> 13:36.000 Hazel just had a bad day. 13:36.000 --> 13:38.000 I mean, that's possible for sure. 13:38.000 --> 13:42.000 Or again, that behavioral term, oh, what was it again? 13:42.000 --> 13:44.000 Okay, okay, I see your point. 13:44.000 --> 13:45.000 Are we ready for the next clip? 13:45.000 --> 13:47.000 Yep. (click) 13:48.000 --> 13:50.000 How are you doing, Hazel? (pages flipping) 13:50.000 --> 13:52.000 I'm doing pretty well. 13:52.000 --> 13:54.000 How are you? 13:54.000 --> 13:55.000 I'm good. 13:55.000 --> 13:56.000 I've been a bit busy. 13:57.000 --> 13:58.000 Busy? 13:58.000 --> 14:06.000 Well, my birthday is in a couple weeks, and I don't like to make a big deal of it, but my dad's on my case because we didn't celebrate last year. 14:07.000 --> 14:09.000 Which day? 14:09.000 --> 14:11.000 Oh, it's the 24th. 14:12.000 --> 14:13.000 That's coming up quick. 14:13.000 --> 14:15.000 Yes, it is. 14:16.000 --> 14:19.000 Oh, and I can't get you anything. 14:19.000 --> 14:24.000 No, Hazel, that's okay, you don't need to buy me presents. 14:24.000 --> 14:29.000 I know, but... can I do anything to make that day special for you? 14:30.000 --> 14:33.000 No, don't worry about it, Hazel. 14:33.000 --> 14:34.000 But I want to. 14:34.000 --> 14:36.000 It's okay. 14:36.000 --> 14:38.000 I won't even be in on the 24th, 14:38.000 --> 14:41.000 I'm taking the day off, so you won't see me. 14:42.000 --> 14:43.000 What? 14:44.000 --> 14:45.000 Why are you taking the day off? 14:46.000 --> 14:52.000 I know that it upsets your routine a bit, Hazel, but-- Last year you were here on your birthday, weren't you? 14:53.000 --> 14:54.000 I-- 14:54.000 --> 14:55.000 Yes. 14:55.000 --> 14:56.000 Hazel-- Is it that bad? 14:57.000 --> 15:07.000 To be here with me? (crying) (click) Oof. 15:07.000 --> 15:09.000 Yeah. Oof. 15:09.000 --> 15:10.000 It's rough. 15:10.000 --> 15:20.000 There's, um... a lot to unpack here. Before you start, (pages flipping) I think you'll want to hear these notes from Doctor Burnett. "Hazel has withdrawn. 15:21.000 --> 15:31.000 For periods of time, she appears to be non-verbal, seemingly incapable of speaking even if she wants to, and for other periods of time, it's clear she doesn't want to speak to us. 15:32.000 --> 15:45.000 Nurse Amelia has noted several instances where Hazel has been so focused on painting or reading that she refuses food for a full day, until she is experiencing hunger pains, and is impatient and irritable while waiting for a rushed dinner. 15:45.000 --> 15:49.000 Hazel has also been heard having long bouts of weeping." 15:50.000 --> 15:51.000 Then the couple next sentences 15:51.000 --> 16:00.000 I just couldn't decipher, it's just total chicken scratch, but then... (clears throat) "I hypothesize that Hazel may have a disordered personality. 16:00.000 --> 16:07.000 Her symptoms and experiences seem to align with the diagnostic guidelines for emotional unstable personality disorder. 16:07.000 --> 16:12.000 Assessment appointment is scheduled for next Friday, in the hopes that this episode subsides before then." 16:13.000 --> 16:15.000 So, the next Thursday in question... 16:15.000 --> 16:17.000 It was the day after Doctor Burnett's birthday. 16:19.000 --> 16:20.000 Thoughts? 16:20.000 --> 16:22.000 Uh, yeah, just, give me a moment, 16:23.000 --> 16:26.000 I'm just trying to put my thoughts into words. Sure. 16:27.000 --> 16:27.000 Okay. 16:27.000 --> 16:32.000 I think that Doctor Burnett is, quite frankly, grasping at straws. 16:32.000 --> 16:42.000 Oh? I mean, you know, I guess for the time, this was maybe a sound theory, but there's no such thing as emotionally unstable personality disorder these days. 16:42.000 --> 16:43.000 You know, 16:43.000 --> 16:48.000 I'm not sure specifically what she's referring to, then, you know, in terms of diagnostic criteria. 16:48.000 --> 16:58.000 I believe emotionally unstable personality disorder,- was renamed histrionic personality disorder, you know, which is characterized by extreme, you know, attention seeking behavior. 16:58.000 --> 17:00.000 Oh, so not Hazel's vibe. 17:00.000 --> 17:09.000 I mean, like I said, a couple of weeks ago, it could be borderline personality disorder, which might be what emotionally unstable personality disorder is called now-- 17:09.000 --> 17:16.000 You know, take a shot every time I say personality disorder. (laughing) --but I just don't know about this diagnosis. 17:16.000 --> 17:17.000 I have a theory here. 17:17.000 --> 17:18.000 Yes? 17:18.000 --> 17:34.000 So, I did a bit of research when I read this entry, because I hadn't heard of emotionally unstable personality disorder before, and I found out that the treatment for it is to lobotomize-- Which, for our listeners at home, is a treatment that is literally just damaging the brain. Yeah, exactly, 17:34.000 --> 17:40.000 But it couldn't be performed without the consent of Hazel's husband or parents. Who, as we know, were both dead. 17:40.000 --> 17:41.000 Correct. 17:41.000 --> 17:49.000 So, I wonder if Doctor Burnett was attempting to diagnose Hazel with something that didn't have a viable treatment option. 17:49.000 --> 17:56.000 There weren't, and-- and I think still aren't, but you can correct me if I'm wrong, any medications that can treat a personality disorder, really. 17:56.000 --> 18:00.000 Like, sometimes they'll prescribe, like, an antidepressant or something, but-- but that'-- 18:00.000 --> 18:07.000 Yeah, that's kind of it. You know, the main treatment for personality disorders, you know, is therapy in most cases. 18:07.000 --> 18:11.000 And the modalities used now, like DBT for BPD, hadn't been invented yet. 18:11.000 --> 18:12.000 Yeah. 18:12.000 --> 18:14.000 I mean, so why wouldn't she want Hazel to have viable treatment options? 18:14.000 --> 18:17.000 So that Hazel doesn't have to go through more of it. 18:18.000 --> 18:30.000 She saw how hard it was on Hazel's spirit to be on and off different medications, and the next treatment the hospital execs would be using is to lobotomize, but there's no way to do that if Hazel doesn't have anyone to consent for her. 18:30.000 --> 18:36.000 So, you know, it's basically a license for Hazel to live her life without further medical trauma. Hmm. 18:37.000 --> 18:40.000 Maybe that's why the diagnosis seems off to you. 18:40.000 --> 18:40.000 Maybe, 18:40.000 --> 18:41.000 You know, I don't know. 18:41.000 --> 18:42.000 I'll have to think about it. 18:42.000 --> 18:45.000 Well, in the meantime, why don't we listen to the next clip? 18:45.000 --> 18:47.000 Alright, sure. (click) 18:48.000 --> 18:51.000 Hazel, did you hear what I said? 18:54.000 --> 18:58.000 Hazel, I can't leave until we talk. 19:04.000 --> 19:10.000 If I leave before we talk, the higher ups will be upset, and I don't know if they'll keep me around. 19:10.000 --> 19:14.000 I'm held to a different standard than the other doctors. 19:18.000 --> 19:19.000 Okay. 19:19.000 --> 19:20.000 Thank you, 19:20.000 --> 19:22.000 Hazel. 19:23.000 --> 19:26.000 You haven't been very talkative for the last few days or so. 19:27.000 --> 19:29.000 No. 19:29.000 --> 19:31.000 Why is that? 19:31.000 --> 19:32.000 I'm not in the mood to talk. 19:34.000 --> 19:36.000 Is this about my birthday? 19:37.000 --> 19:42.000 I've been painting, so I've been too busy to talk, really. 19:42.000 --> 19:44.000 What have you been painting? 19:44.000 --> 19:47.000 The sunrise. Courtyard. 19:48.000 --> 19:50.000 You. 19:50.000 --> 19:51.000 Me? 19:51.000 --> 19:55.000 I was going to paint you a nice portrait, for your office. 19:55.000 --> 19:57.000 As a birthday gift. 19:59.000 --> 20:02.000 But you didn't want anything for your birthday, not from me. 20:03.000 --> 20:05.000 Hazel, that's not what it is-- 20:05.000 --> 20:07.000 Don't lie to me. 20:08.000 --> 20:10.000 Don't I get punished enough? 20:10.000 --> 20:12.000 That's not-- Never mind. 20:13.000 --> 20:14.000 You don't get it. 20:15.000 --> 20:17.000 None of you do. 20:20.000 --> 20:23.000 Let's wrap it up here, for today. (click) 20:27.000 --> 20:29.000 Welcome back, everyone. 20:29.000 --> 20:29.000 You know, 20:29.000 --> 20:32.000 I think I'd like to keep discussing that personality disorder thing. 20:32.000 --> 20:33.000 Sure. 20:33.000 --> 20:41.000 As I said earlier, you know, emotionally unstable personality disorder, it doesn't really exist anymore, you know, it's-- it's not a thing. Mhm. 20:41.000 --> 20:52.000 So, we've talked about borderline or histrionic being potential diagnosises for Hazel, if she were, you know, being treated in the modern era of psychiatric medicine. 20:53.000 --> 20:53.000 But during the break, 20:53.000 --> 20:57.000 I did take another look at my books on personality disorders-- 20:57.000 --> 20:58.000 In the ten minutes? 20:58.000 --> 21:05.000 Well, I mean, I just, you know, needed my memory jogged, you know, and-- and I kind of wonder about the schizophrenia diagnosis. 21:05.000 --> 21:21.000 Now, the DSM, which is a manual that classifies many disorders and illnesses, including personality disorders, wasn't published until 1952, so I wonder if Doctor Green and Doctor Burnett had just never come across schizoid personality disorder. 21:21.000 --> 21:23.000 Oh, okay, what's that? 21:23.000 --> 21:27.000 Well, I mean, it's usually a pattern of detachment and anti-social behavior. 21:28.000 --> 21:33.000 Something like 40% of people with schizoid personalities end up with schizophrenia later on, too. 21:33.000 --> 21:39.000 I don't know, I think Hazel very much wants to connect with others and just, like, struggles. 21:39.000 --> 21:43.000 Which brings me to my next theory, dependent personality disorder. 21:44.000 --> 21:46.000 Basically, someone who is, like, clinically clingy. Oh, um-- 21:46.000 --> 21:52.000 Usually they rely on others to fulfill their needs, you know, both emotional and physical. 21:52.000 --> 21:52.000 Okay, 21:52.000 --> 22:01.000 I think that it was probably difficult for Doctor Burnett to pin down-- like to pin down anything in particular because, well, you know, it was the 1950s. 22:01.000 --> 22:01.000 Oh, yeah, for sure. 22:01.000 --> 22:06.000 I mean, like, homosexuality was considered a mental illness for years, right? Mhm. 22:06.000 --> 22:09.000 I don't think she was working with very much. 22:09.000 --> 22:12.000 Well, you know, and honestly, how much have we advanced since then? 22:12.000 --> 22:20.000 Psychology has made huge strides in the past, like, what, you know... 70... 70 years? 22:20.000 --> 22:21.000 Yeah, 70 years. 22:21.000 --> 22:24.000 You know but-- but I see your point, you know, like, 22:24.000 --> 22:26.000 I mean, it's that paradox, right? 22:26.000 --> 22:32.000 If the-- if the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we'd be too simple to understand it. Hm? 22:34.000 --> 22:43.000 Uh, anyway, yeah, you know, I think it's possible that Doctor Burnett just didn't have the right research at the time, you know, to accurately diagnose Hazel. 22:43.000 --> 22:49.000 I also do think that it is possible that Doctor Burnett may have had a personality disorder herself. 22:49.000 --> 22:49.000 What? 22:49.000 --> 22:59.000 You know, something like obsessive compulsive personality disorder, which might explain her intense focus on solving the issue of Hazel's mystery illness. 23:00.000 --> 23:02.000 Okay, I-I could see that. 23:03.000 --> 23:03.000 Next clip? 23:03.000 --> 23:14.000 Go for it. (click) (Hazel crying) 23:14.000 --> 23:15.000 All right, 23:15.000 --> 23:18.000 Hazel, honey, here are the oil paints you needed. 23:19.000 --> 23:20.000 Thank you. 23:20.000 --> 23:21.000 Of course. 23:21.000 --> 23:22.000 Can I get you anything else? 23:22.000 --> 23:24.000 Tea and cookies, maybe? 23:24.000 --> 23:28.000 No, I'm not in the mood. (Nurse Amelia sits down) 23:28.000 --> 23:30.000 Do you want to talk about it, honey? 23:31.000 --> 23:33.000 I can't tell you anything. 23:33.000 --> 23:34.000 What? 23:34.000 --> 23:36.000 Why not? 23:38.000 --> 23:39.000 I can't say. 23:40.000 --> 23:53.000 Well, I have something that might cheer you up a bit. (footsteps) (door opening) Hello, Hazel. 23:53.000 --> 23:56.000 Aud-- My goodness, 23:56.000 --> 23:58.000 Doctor Burnett! 23:58.000 --> 24:00.000 I thought you were taking today off? 24:00.000 --> 24:02.000 I am, see? 24:02.000 --> 24:03.000 No slacks. (giggling) 24:05.000 --> 24:08.000 Would you go get ice cream with me? 24:08.000 --> 24:09.000 For my birthday? 24:09.000 --> 24:11.000 Oh my God, yes. 24:11.000 --> 24:12.000 Happy-- 24:12.000 --> 24:14.000 Happy birthday! 24:14.000 --> 24:15.000 Yes. 24:15.000 --> 24:16.000 Here's some fresh clothes. 24:16.000 --> 24:18.000 Why don't you go get changed in the restroom? 24:18.000 --> 24:23.000 Alright. (walking away) (door opening and closing) Thank you, 24:23.000 --> 24:25.000 Nurse Amelia, for helping me with this. 24:25.000 --> 24:28.000 I know you're sticking your neck out. 24:28.000 --> 24:30.000 Well, anything for Hazel. 24:30.000 --> 24:32.000 She's a sweet girl. 24:32.000 --> 24:34.000 She is. 24:34.000 --> 24:36.000 And she really benefits from outings. 24:36.000 --> 24:39.000 It's not good for someone to be cooped up for so long. 24:40.000 --> 24:44.000 Mhm, she does so much better with just a bit of sunshine and fresh air. 24:44.000 --> 24:46.000 Besides, I think she deserved a good day. 24:47.000 --> 24:48.000 I don't know what you heard-- 24:48.000 --> 24:49.000 It's all just talk, 24:49.000 --> 24:51.000 Nurse Amelia, 24:51.000 --> 24:52.000 I wouldn't worry about it. 24:52.000 --> 24:54.000 I don't know where she would go. 24:54.000 --> 24:58.000 She's not going anywhere. (breathing out) You're right. 24:58.000 --> 25:00.000 No use in worrying. 25:00.000 --> 25:02.000 She's happy today. 25:02.000 --> 25:03.000 She is. 25:03.000 --> 25:04.000 You're a good doctor. 25:04.000 --> 25:06.000 You're a good nurse. (door opening) 25:07.000 --> 25:09.000 I'm ready to go! 25:09.000 --> 25:12.000 And don't you look like the picture of spring? (giggling) 25:14.000 --> 25:17.000 Come on, let's slip out before anyone sees us. 25:18.000 --> 25:20.000 Yes, go! (click) 25:21.000 --> 25:23.000 Hmmmm. Hmmm? 25:23.000 --> 25:30.000 Hmm. So, Daphne, do you know what Nurse Amelia was alluding to near the end there? Right, yes, 25:30.000 --> 25:38.000 I believe she's alluding to the talk of the asylum being converted into a nursing home, which, as we know, never ended up fully going through. 25:38.000 --> 25:39.000 Right, right, okay. 25:39.000 --> 25:44.000 So, she was worried about Hazel being kicked out of the facility soon. Mhm. 25:44.000 --> 25:46.000 Okay, okay. Um, you know, well-well, 25:46.000 --> 25:53.000 I think that it's kind of Doctor Burnett to try to, you know, give her an outing, you know, treat the source of that moody episode Hazel was going through. 25:53.000 --> 25:54.000 I agree. 25:54.000 --> 25:58.000 And, you know-- and I think technically, this counts as their first date, and it's just-- Yes, 25:58.000 --> 26:02.000 I mean, this is definitely a milestone in that relationship. 26:03.000 --> 26:12.000 I think we can see perhaps, you know, how Doctor Burnett managed to sneak her away for good, if it was seemingly really easy to sneak her out for an afternoon. 26:12.000 --> 26:12.000 Yeah, maybe. 26:12.000 --> 26:24.000 But there's something really interesting here in the way Hazel just perks up, and the way Nurse Amelia knows that it's because of Doctor Burnett, even though she didn't-- well-- well, I'm assuming she didn't know about their affair. 26:24.000 --> 26:26.000 No, Nurse Amelia didn't know. 26:26.000 --> 26:29.000 We'll get to what Nurse Amelia thought was going on, though. 26:29.000 --> 26:30.000 Ah, okay. 26:30.000 --> 26:32.000 I just think that was so sweet of her, though. 26:32.000 --> 26:38.000 Doctor Burnett never mentions this in her journals, but I think that this was a bending of the rules. 26:38.000 --> 26:40.000 My understanding, based on the files 26:40.000 --> 26:46.000 I received, is that Hazel was permitted 1 or 2 outings a year, but rarely received them. 26:46.000 --> 26:50.000 So I think this was an effort to squeeze in an extra one. 26:50.000 --> 26:51.000 Hm, that's interesting. 26:51.000 --> 26:52.000 So Nurse 26:52.000 --> 26:58.000 Amelia was kind of sticking out her neck, you know, especially since-- Doctor Burnett was off the clock. 26:58.000 --> 27:00.000 Hmmm. Well, you know, I can't wait to delve into more of this. 27:00.000 --> 27:01.000 Me too. 27:01.000 --> 27:07.000 And, you know, we'll get into some of the more long term consequences of this next week... 27:07.000 --> 27:10.000 Exclusively here on "Mysteries of the Mind." 27:10.000 --> 27:16.000 I've been Preston Knight, our resident psychology nerd-- --and I've been Daphne St. Clair, our hopeless romantic. 27:16.000 --> 27:17.000 Thanks for tuning in! 27:17.000 --> 27:19.000 We'll see you right back here, this time next week. 27:19.000 --> 27:20.000 Bye bye. 27:35.000 --> 27:40.000 Doctor Love is written and directed by Maya Appavoo, and produced by Maya Appavoo, and Monica Gate. 27:40.000 --> 27:45.000 Starring the voice acting talents of Madeline Harsh as Daphne, Jacob Martin as Preston, Abby 27:45.000 --> 27:48.000 McDougall as Doctor Burnett, and Emily Lizotte as Hazel. 27:48.000 --> 27:50.000 Additional voices by Cleo Birch. 27:51.000 --> 27:53.000 Post-production management by Monica Gate. 27:53.000 --> 27:56.000 Sound design for this episode by Ace Luke, and music by Ken Kosowick. 27:57.000 --> 28:07.000 The full list of credits and disclaimers can be found in the episode description, or, on our website: appoova.ca/portfolio/doctorlove. 28:07.000 --> 28:12.000 Follow us on social media! 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